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Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by illiac786 »

ac29 wrote: post #201
laserson wrote: post #161

One thing I miss from Google is relatively seamless integration with maps. Sometimes the address queries just fail for me on Kagi. And even when they don’t, Google’s maps are still far more useful IMO.

!gm is one of my most frequently used bangs on kagi

Why do you use bangs and not keywords in the address bar? It's so much faster, no need to go to kagi first...

I have 10-20 keywords set up in Firefox for example. It works in chrome too.

But maybe I'm missing some use case for kagi bangs...

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by freediver »

illiac786 wrote: post #308
drcongo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On iOS Safari it works with the Kagi extension.

Works even without it and also in incognito tabs. Use your session URL. The config documentation needs some work, it's very unstructured and difficult to follow to be honest. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.h...

It is also open source (just click edit). We welcome improvements.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by freediver »

flexagoon wrote: post #246
throwup238 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did the same and added a custom bang so I can use it from the address bar directly (!r pointing at https://kagi.com/search?q=%s&l=8 where 8 is the lens id). Probably least a third of my queries are preceded by an !r now. A third of the rest are now question mark queries that activates their AI fast answer. It's like the google info box on steroids since it can answer any query and it works with lenses to restrict t…

By the way, you don't have to manually add a custom bang and point it to your lens id, you can configure a bang for the lens directly in the settings of your lens

You can also define r as a “quick bang” which means you can just use “r” without !

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by phil294 »

themoonisachees wrote: post #183
digging wrote: post #5

I'm excited for this. I've found Kagi to be very useful having widgets like this, in addition to the search results being good. I still have DDG as my search engine for ephemeral searches[1] on my phone and I'm getting sick of it. I don't know if I'd say the result quality has been getting worse , it's just not good and hasn't been for years. Kagi on the other hand feels like an ideal subscription service. It feels l…

Imo ddg's mission is incompatible with today's web. The mission is simply to serve you regular Google/bing search, but without tracking and they do that well, but it is missing the absolute trash fire that those results are currently (yes, they have moved somewhat from that but clearly they are still heavily reliant on Google ranking). Kagi on the other hand, I spend 5$ a month on search that doesn't track me AND giv…

> but it is missing the absolute trash fire that those results are currently

I don't understand your answer. Isn't that a good thing? Why are you missing trash on DDG?

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by codalan »

freediver wrote: post #58
thomassmith65 wrote: post #31

Does Kagi use Google to host their blog or am I misinterpreting the log entry of my pihole? 🞬 blog.kagi.com (blocked ghs.googlehosted.com)

Yes, Kagi is using GCP (+ AWS + some baremetal)

Is there a plan to eventually switch over to self-hosting?

It seems like it might be bad to use a competitor for cloud services, although Kagi is small enough right now to not be on Google's radar...

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by caycep »

Onawa wrote: post #195
natebc wrote: post #178

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I work at a mid-size private university in the US. We hold a license for both Matlab and Mathematica. Both are used in our labs and for independent study and coursework.

I believe that NIH also licenses Matlab for use on BioWulf, but I never see more than a license or two being used at any given time. Pretty much everyone I work with uses R or Python.

it would be nice in my field...a lot of computational neuroscience projects seem to default to MATLAB, so i have to keep my license active to use them, although I feel like Python is making inroads.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by geoelectric »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44
geoelectric wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m fairly sure Kagi reuses Google and Bing search results, then de-craps and applies your customized preferences to them. I’m not sure it even runs its own spider.

Kagi sends “anonymized API calls to traditional search indexes like Google, Yandex, Mojeek and Brave, specialized search engines like Marginalia, and sources of vertical information like Wolfram Alpha, Apple, Wikipedia, Open Meteo, Yelp, TripAdvisor and other APIs,” and also maintains its own “web index (internal name - Teclis) and news index (internal name - TinyGem)” [1]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-detai…

Thanks for correcting me on this.

My take (as a subscriber) is still that the majority of information I'm seeing is assimilated and distilled from the more mainstream sources, but I'm possibly underestimating how much comes from their own indexes.

I will admit that for news I tend to use the !gn bang to jump straight to Google News as it tends to be a more complete feed than Kagi's news tab, so wasn't thinking about TinyGem. But I'd also forgotten completely about Kagi's "Small Web" initiative for indexing non-commercial content that's not interlinked enough for other engines to prioritize it. I believe that's what Teclis (and possibly TinyGem as well) concentrates on.

IIRC, the few times I tried routing searches into that index I didn't find much, so I set it aside, but that's probably because I'm usually searching for more widely-consumed content.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by matheusmoreira »

stavros wrote: post #184
dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

I never realized before that sentence, but the presence of ads and tracking on a webpage is correlated really well with me never wanting to read its content. I might sign up to Kagi just for that.

> the presence of ads and tracking on a webpage is correlated really well with me never wanting to read its content

It's not just you.

If there are ads on a page, it means the advertisers own the author. He is not free to write what he wants, he is free to write only that which the almighty advertisers will tolerate being associated with. He will not write things which bite the hands that feed him.

I'm convinced writers like that will never write anything truly genuine. Chances are if you see ads anywhere you're reading self-serving generic clickbait content meant to attract attention and drive up ad impressions. It's not real, it's just "content", a generic square around which ads congregate like parasites.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by matheusmoreira »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #283
stavros wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never realized before that sentence, but the presence of ads and tracking on a webpage is correlated really well with me never wanting to read its content. I might sign up to Kagi just for that.

The fact that people who are not affiliated with the company go out of their way to suggest people to use kagi and pay with their hard earned money is a testament to how much people enjoy and value the product. Personally, if I could own Kagi stock, I would.

> Personally, if I could own Kagi stock, I would.

I hope it never becomes possible to own Kagi stock. They seem like a great company, I'd hate to see them become worthless chasing eternal growth because shareholders demand it.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by krade »

paradox460 wrote: post #48
pmzy wrote: post #39

I’ve been a paying Kagi customer for a few months now. It has reconciled me with search. Result quality is great, and the tools like fastgpt and the summarizer are precious. I was a bit reluctant but I don’t regret doing it. Really happy to see Wolfram added to it!

It feels like a glass of water on a hot day, when you didn't even realize you were thirsty. Suddenly you can find things again. Recently I've been adding ? to a number of queries, to play with its knowledge graph and answering capabilities. It's been remarkably useful at surfacing information.

this has probably been the first and only new features added to a product in years, that's actually been useful to me personally.
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