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Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by toasterlovin »

paulsutter wrote: post #48
mjburgess wrote: post #24

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It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

In a delicious bit of irony, there is a very large, peculiarly villainous American company whose website has never shown me a cookie pop up…

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by try_the_bass »

carlosjobim wrote: post #216
kerkeslager wrote: post #159

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There are two systems at play when you see a cookie warning: 1. Businesses trying to violate your privacy. 2. A government trying to protect you from said businesses. Either of these entities could avoid the cookie warning, but there are very different reasons why they do not.

If you use government websites within EU countries, most of them have cookie warnings. And a large part of them also use dark patterns to "forget" that you selected "only necessary" cookies each time you visit.

I'm pretty sure it's less "dark patterns" and more "remembering your preference isn't 'necessary'".

Which, technically, it isn't.

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Post by kragen »

> The single market is, from the perspective of the EU itself, its single most important project.

although i am not of course the eu itself, nor do i even live there, i think this is incorrect

world war i lasted from 01914 to 01918 and killed 17 million people

world war ii in europe started 21 years later, lasting from 01939 to 01945 (though it started earlier in china) and killed 73 million people, mostly in russia

the 'european communities' were founded in 01952, 7 years later, and later grew into the eu. their single most important project was, and is, preventing or at least delaying world war iii, because it was, and is, widely believed that world war iii will kill a substantial fraction of the world's population, reducing the level of human development substantially and possibly causing human extinction

this is commonly believed to be more important than the single market, even, i venture to say, within the eu

world war iii may have started now; in retrospect, we may decide that it started in february 02014

the post is of course correct that the single market was a major instrument of this peace from the beginning, but it was and is only one such instrument, not the final product. in terms of keeping governments from bombing each other, probably the atomic cooperation is even more important

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Post by FredFS456 »

roenxi wrote: post #51

I quite like the article as far as it goes; but this begs the follow up question - is the strategy working? Because for all their standards and harmonisation, the manufacturing is happening in China and the decisions are being made in North America. This should be an article about how Nokia or equivalent is approaching the US all wrong and not understanding the realities on the ground. I'd put energy in a similar fra…

Two companies in the wind power top 10: Siemens of Germany, and Vestas of Denmark. As someone who worked for a while in Canadian wind power industry, the only other turbines I've seen deployed at scale here are the GE ones.

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Post by TheMagicHorsey »

pydry wrote: post #44
mjburgess wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

>It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". The notion of regulation as being on a sliding scale where "more is worse" was a manufactured American meme created by the Kochs in the 1980s. It emerged from some of their epic fights with the environmental protection agency and their subsequent lobbying and public relations outreach effo…

Spoken like someone who has never seen the waste, lack of reason, and counterproductive incentives of a highly regulated market such as healthcare and telecoms in the US.

Also, if you are not selling in the EU you would never start a high tech company in the EU. Whereas people travel across the world to found high tech companies in the US that are not even selling product in the US.

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Post by arethuza »

Ragnarork wrote: post #286
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #94

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> the successful campaign to get the UK out of the EU. Depending on your definition of success of course.

Ah but the campaign was successful. The actual pullout and its consequences, on the other hand...

Even the Daily Telegraph is having second thoughts about Brexit:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/02/28/uk-eu-are-be...

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Post by smoldesu »

bengale wrote: post #303
smoldesu wrote: post #249

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> for someone with a bunch of devices and online all the time it sounds great when the EU forces USBC through for example Have you never met an Apple user that carried around both Lightning and USB-C cables? This sort of sentiment confounds me, everyone I knew that had seen a Macbook was waiting on a USB-C iPhone for years. The only people I saw defending Lightning were Apple devotees online. > There would never be a…

> Have you never met an Apple user that carried around both Lightning and USB-C cables? Have you ever met someone that just has an iPhone? There are considerably more of them than those carrying ipads and MacBooks and switches and the like.

I have, and I didn't hear one of them complain when USB-C iPhones were released worldwide.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by Aissen »

I mostly disagree on the analysis, because it starts from the premise that Apple will lose more by continuing with the current stance. IMHO, that's backwards: being a for-profit company, Apple (and to a lesser extent, Google) has been using every lever they get to stall for time and get a few more quarters of those sweet App Store profits. Whether it's a bad strategy to wait until the very last time to comply is still to be seen.

Still, a very interesting read I'll keep to the back of my mind.

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