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Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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I’m not a disney fan but I enjoyed those games. They’re just good action RPGs with fresh advancement bonuses. Very Square Enix, which makes sense, of course. KH3 also made me realize that they can start to target child and adult fans via recently popular titles (e.g. Frozen) and ~30 years ago popular titles (e.g. Toy Story), respectively.

Frozen (2013), i.e. 11 years ago

Let it go.

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See also: Samsung and Apple competes in phones, yet Apple sources phone displays from Samsung

and used to source chips from Samsung too

Does Apple make their own DRAM? If not, there's a good chance they still are sourcing chips from Samsung.

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Disney use Unreal Engine for their dynamic greenscreen LED wall which they film The Mandalorian and others against. That's got to be at least as important as Fortnite characters.

Yeah, I'm not sure why Disney of all companies would be so enamored by another company's entertainment IP that they'd spend $1.5B to have dibs on it. There has to be a better explanation than Fortnite skins.

Fortnite skins are probably worth more than Star Wars as a property at the moment. At least, worth far more than $1.5b.

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Frozen came out ten years ago and frozen 2 came out five years ago. I think that qualifies as a few years. Granted life has been tough on the movies since some odd event in 2020

It's relative. No-one else has produced a media franchise that earns as much or more than Disney any more recently. Disney has also produced some of the most recent highest grossing box office films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films . Again, this is relative. We've just had a pandemic followed by writers and actors guild strikes.

Minions is damn close, however. Freaking billion dollar movies and infinite numbers of the yellow dudes everywhere.

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Frozen came out ten years ago and frozen 2 came out five years ago. I think that qualifies as a few years. Granted life has been tough on the movies since some odd event in 2020

If you take "for years" to literally mean "more than one year", sure. I think it's colloquially understood to be far longer than that. "Encanto" came out in 2021 and I'd consider that a hit. The soundtrack saw wide play, everyone I know who's seen it loves it, and they're merchandising the hell out of it. To be fair, I saw "Wish" with my family and we all enjoyed it, but it obviously didn't come close to "Frozen 2" n…

Encanto was fun but it didn’t merchandise the way Frozen did (nothing before or after has, to be fair).

Keep an eye on the clearance aisles for a feel on how merchandising is going; wish is doing exceptionally bad.

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People forget that the movie came out nine years ago and shouldn't pass for "recent years", which the discussion above is about. The movie also primarily sold through hype to kids who grew up with the prequels, which had little to do with the quality. People, including me, still lived in denial back then. It wasn't until the second movie that my friends realized how terrible Star Wars had become and promised to never…

Well, part 2: "It grossed over $1.3 billion worldwide, becoming the highest-grossing film of 2017" and part 3: "grossed over $1.077 billion worldwide, making it the seventh-highest-grossing film of 2019 " Cannot really be called flops either. And the Mandalorian is highly succesful as well. And probably some other movies, I don't know, I do not follow. My point is, that I share the criticism of how bad Star Wars beca…

They were flops even if they made money because their expectations were so infinitely sky-high.

Force Awakens? Everyone who had ever seen Star Wars went to see it (extended family had a tradition of seeing Star Wars movies when they came out). Later ones didn’t have that, and we’ve never seen the last one.

Elemental obviously outperformed expectations but was no Toy Story. Wish is not doing well and looks unlikely to recover.

We’re long gone from the era of every single Disney (or Pixar) animated film being an absolute instant classic and powerhouse.

(Part of this may be the huge number of live action remakes - even if financially successful they seem entirely forgettable).

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I flagged this - it seems too clearly flame bait. If it was an honest mistake, my apologies. Disney had three movies in 2023 which took more than $200 million at the US box office

Star Wars is destroyed beyond redemption by now, and the same goes for Indiana Jones . Pixar is also on a downwards trajectory, and whoever says otherwise is deluding himself/herself.

Pixar is just a movie studio now, churning out basic animated movies. They’re no longer head-and-shoulders above everyone, and other studios are certainly competitive or even outclassing.

Turning Red and Teenage Kraken have a superficially similar plot and the Pixar one is much “better made” in many ways, but neither is earth-shattering.

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Epic Games is not just games anymore. Take a look at how The Mandalorian (a Disney production) was filmed. Epic Games’ software played a large part. It goes beyond just film & television. They offer solutions for the automotive industry, aviation simulation industry, mining sims, trucking sims, medical sims, architecture, live broadcast, … Hmm, I think I might invest if I can!

At this point they should just buy Epic Healthcare and consolidate.

I never expected a dystopian megacorp to start from a cartoon or videogame company. As a kid I figured it would kick off with walmart buying lockmart and just calling itself Mart.

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If instead of buying IP and stealing from public domain works they invested more into creating new IP they could actually make a lot of money. I'm sick of them being allowed to increase their entertainment monopoly on children instead of being told to just create new original works. It's not like they have a shortage of talented people...

It is not possible to steal from the public domain. That's the entire point of it.

Getting their cronies in congress to extend copyright protections from 14 years to 100 years is stealing from the public domain.

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Box Office is not the yardstick disney uses, that's just the first phase of the disney wheel. They make oodles of money in merchandise and theme park content that's based on the same (expensive) IP as the movie. When they don't break even on the movie, they'll generally break even or make money on the IP behind the movie.

That would traditionally be the case, but the merchandising is bombing too, and (anecdata time) I can confirm this through personal observation: 80%-off sales of Star Wars merchandise in a local toy store, and my kids and their circle having a keen sense of which IP they like (unsurprising spoiler: it’s the stuff based on good movies, not the stuff based on bad movies).

I think the surest example of this is the Lego Star Wars toys more and more being obviously adult-targeted.

Not everything can be Frozen, but the pallet of Wish merchandise at Walmart is still there and now all marked down (except the Lego because they know that someone will buy it eventually for parts).

Elemental merchandising was completely non-existent and that was a mistake, people enjoyed that.

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