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Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

That’s more of a statement of the monopolization of hardware access the App Store gives than it is him “piggy backing”. It’s not like you have a real choice without Apple being forced to allow software downloads via a web browser globally.

I think they meant more about being beholden to Youtube's current implementation.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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That’s more of a statement of the monopolization of hardware access the App Store gives than it is him “piggy backing”. It’s not like you have a real choice without Apple being forced to allow software downloads via a web browser globally.

I think they meant more about being beholden to Youtube's current implementation.

That’s valid

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

Making something like youtube would be much easier technically than it would have been in 2006 or so. A solo dev could create a small scale streaming service for HTML5 video pretty reasonably.

It's the copyright that's the problem. You would be annihilated, not by YouTube's lawyers, but by UMG and Sony's lawyers, immediately after getting even a small amount of traction.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

What other choice you have?

Anyway YouTube aren’t going to disable embeds. So don’t see it being turned off

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

What other choice you have? Anyway YouTube aren’t going to disable embeds. So don’t see it being turned off

> What other choice you have?

Anything that isn't a client to proprietary platforms?

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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I think running the biggest video platform on the planet entirely for free is not realistic. Why are you so against Google charging a minimum fee for doing that while still giving you the opportunity to watch for free in exchange for being shown a few ads? Do you think they should be run as a charity?

> Why are you so against Google charging a minimum fee for doing that while still giving you the opportunity to watch for free in exchange for being shown a few ads? I'm against it because advertising is not the only business model that works at scale. Google effectively introduced itself as a middleman between content creators and consumers, which they continue to do whether you pay with your attention/data or cash.…

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Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

Here's an almost trivial bit of "permissionless innovation" thanks to Silicon Valley giants: https://mastodon.social/@UP8/111049822586450100 30 years ago somebody who wanted to develop a "new object you can use to distribute music" had to spend $100 million on some project like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Compact_Cassette today it is very simple because almost everyone has a player in their pocket that conn…

I've been imagining making song/album cards for a long time now! Just like that! Very nice.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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I don't understand what reasonable alternative there could be. Develop your own YouTube?

For certain values of "reasonable": Peertube is one distributed option[0]. Many content creators have started hosting videos on other services like Patreon because of Youtube's censorship and demonetization policies. Which doesn't entirely avoid the centralization problem but it's better not to put all of your eggs in one basket. It's also possible (although obviously not always feasible) to self-host or torrent. [0]…

Worth mentioning that Rumble, Odysee, and Bitchute are all excellent alternative platforms to host videos at, without the concerns YouTube has introduced. Although, I can't speak to monetization for any of these — which is where Patreon excels here.

X.com is also trying to enter the space by hosting longer videos and allowing accounts to earn ad revenue as well as building a subscriber base who can support creators directly. It's not half bad.

Full disclaimer:

I think it might be implied, but there's certainly a lot of political distaste around these platforms since they finally freed themselves from the shackles of government-aided censorship, and takedowns that are heavily biased towards promoting progressive views (especially radical).

With that said, everyone please refrain from attacking this reply for merely mentioning these platforms as options, as they are equally valid ways to build a following and/or monetize your content, even if they support creators who run against your own views. As they say, diversity is our strength!

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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It's not meant for MR like this. An immersive app for YouTube that let you have a window management experiece closer to the Vision Pro would be welcome.

For the record, both the YouTube app and YouTube in the built-in browser seem to work just fine in mixed reality / passthrough (at least on my Quest 3), but the big feature they're both missing from Juno's feature list is resizable MR windows. Would love to see a Juno port at some point if it includes this too! Edit: According to the Internet, apparently there is actually a way to resize the MR windows (their "switch…

I would just like to see people copy some of Apple's UI functionality inside Quest apps. The official YouTube app can do the standard flat panels that any Quest app can do, but it's limited to living inside the 1x3 app row that all flat Quest apps are bound to. The thing I like best about the Vision Pro is that it's MR-first and apps can be placed and anchored anywhere without being locked to each other. That's not implemented in the base UI of Quest yet, but it could be implemented inside an app like YouTube, allowing either virtual screens or various levels of immersive 3D to be anchored to spots in a room. With the v62 update, the Quest can now bring up its 1x3 app row while running an immersive app and also save multiple rooms. My dream YouTube app would be something that could play videos anchored to spots in various rooms while also running regular 2d apps through the standard Quest interface. For example, imagine that you had your favorite news program attached to your refrigerator and a night sky view attached to your bedroom ceiling and a 3D jungle instead of the brick wall outside your apartment if you have an unlucky view. This is obviously beyond the scope of this app right now, but I think there will be interest among Quest owners to run apps that copy some of the MR-focused features of the Vision Pro interface and expand upon them. Using something like an embedded web view with a nice interface and then incorporating some anchoring abilities would be enough to expand the usability of something like a video player. And although this app doesn't run 3D videos, I think that's more of a limitation of the Safari APIs right now. Something using the Quest browser's native ability to run 3D video should theoretically work.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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I don’t know if that’s still true. The Music app is still sluggish, Notes has poor UX, almost every built-in app has a better third-party replacement. It has been downhill since iOS 7.

What the replacements for contacts and clock would be?

Contacts+ and Cardhop are two.

To be fair the clock app is a lot better since they introduced the sleep schedule, but I used to have a separate alarm app, and still use Sleepytime to calculate wake up times.

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