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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by dionidium »

legitster wrote: post #97
xahrepap wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard a lot of people say this in these comment threads, and I think this glosses over the actual issue: safety is getting worse, not better or even staying the same. So it's MORE statistically significant than it was. The trend is heading the wrong way. Air safety going down is a trend you want to stop ASAP. Not wait around until it's just as dangerous as something else like driving your car.

> The trend is heading the wrong way. Contrary to this sentiment, air traffic safety continues to improve: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_inciden... If anything, air travel is so safe now that non-fatal incidents such as this weeks' stand out more than they would have in previous decades. And in comparison, driving is getting much more dangerous (at least in the US). https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

You'll sometimes see this dismissed almost derisively as, "people think they're in control when they're driving, but lack agency while flying, so that's why they fear the latter more."

But that's completely true! Not every driver on the road is at equal risk of a fatal accident. A significant percentage of all fatal accident involve speeding, reckless driving, and/or alcohol consumption, to say nothing of distractions like cell phone usage.

So you do have quite a bit of control on the road and exactly none in the air.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by ghaff »

BasilPH wrote: post #4

The fact that this is an actual concern is wild and shows the depth of Boeing's problems.

There is also a non-zero number of people who are absolutely terrified of flying a plane, any plane.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

davely wrote: post #240
dylan604 wrote: post #142

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Except Airbus doesn't have planes falling apart in midair even if they are using the same supplier. This is clearly an issue during assembly regardless of the supplier of the parts.

In 2010, an Airbus A380 engine exploded. The fact that it landed safely was a miracle. [1] In 2017, an Airbus A380 lost an engine (literally, fell off the plane). [2] In 2018, a cockpit windshield blew out in an Airbus A319. [3] Don't get me wrong, the culture at Boeing has changed (for the worse). The 737 Max is not without issues. It's horrific that hundreds have died due to both ignorance and deception on behalf o…

I find the A380 accidents quite fascinating. If there is a plane I want to lose an engine on it’s one with four on it for sure. :)

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

StreetChief wrote: post #284
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147

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> only reason nobody was injured this time was nobody was sitting in the seats next to the door plug This was a serious fuck-up. But it remains that there was at risk no more than one, maybe two, fatalities. That isn’t enough to justify the claim that “safety is getting worse.”

"Only two people would have died, so it's really not that bad," is wild. What if it were you sitting at that seat and you died? Still not that bad an outcome?

> "Only two people would have died, so it's really not that bad," is wild.

Straw man. Nobody says even a single death isn't tragic. What I'm saying is it doesn't overwhelm trillions of miles of safe flight. Not flying a 737 Max 8, only to go onto a Spirit Aerosystems-assembled Airbus, doensn't make sense. (Note: not implicating Spirit. Just saying that the window of culpabilitiy extends more in their direction than it does across every 737 Max.)

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by jerf »

WalterBright wrote: post #310
jerf wrote: post #239

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It may be illogical from a strictly individual point of view. But from a broader societal view we'd all be better off if we did it and it is pro-social and pro-civic to be willing to sacrifice a little of your personal convenience to make a point like this. Nothing but nothing will get Boeing's attention like what is essentially an end-customer strike. In general quite a lot of the chains wrapped around us that drive…

Boeing stock is down substantially. That will get their attention.

Also true! And if the mood strikes the media complex to kick a wounded gazelle for profit, which they are known to do, a site like this getting featured on the news may well feed back into their stock price too.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by jessriedel »

alpb wrote: post #26

Are you less safe on a 737 MAX than driving to the airport in a car? Genuinely curious, I’m trying to understand if this whole saga is statistically significant.

If you estimate the risk by just taking the number of fatal crashes and dividing by the number of miles traveled by all 737 Max'es, it's roughly 10x safer per mile than car. (And almost certainly more dangerous than cars per trip rather than per mile.)

> 1,300 aircraft have been built since the [737 Max] first started flying in 2017, with two deadly crashes. I don't know how many miles those have accumulated, but presumably it's of order 4k miles per day per aircraft, and maybe [1.5] years ([500] days) of flying to date per aircraft on average [in light of delivery dates and extensive groundings], giving a very rough estimate of a [~2] billion miles? So maybe a deadly crash per billion miles, in comparison to a bit over one deadly crash per 100M miles for cars.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38895004

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38895077

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by ivanjermakov »

This is destructive to air transportation. I understand the appeal of avoiding 737 MAX but realistically it's one of the safest model to fly on because of how much effort is put into further accident mitigation.

Without even talking about how safe aviation is in general.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by alistairSH »

Where is the data sourced for this checker?

I just tested two upcoming flights (UA2021 and UA2022), both of which are currently (as in, today) flown on 737-900. UA2021 shows as "Not a Max" and UA2022 shows as "Is a Max".

Yes, I fully realize Unided will swap these around as needed. Just curious where one would even find the "scheduled" airframe?

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by kube-system »

nolok wrote: post #298
kube-system wrote: post #274

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I understand all of that. My point is that people avoiding all 737 MAX variants over an issue specifically on plug doors that are no longer in the air, that we don't even know why they failed, are illogically filtering their flight options.

But virtually no one really is avoiding it over that, they're avoiding because of the multitude of various faults and issue over the entire MAX line that makes it highly unlikely that there isn't something else coming.

This submission isn't on the front page because of incidents 4-5 years ago. It is on the front page because of the news this week.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by StreetChief »

jmward01 wrote: post #273
StreetChief wrote: post #195

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Boeing manager I imagine?

Nope. I used to fly as a day job though. I have dreams of owning my own plane some day but it is so ridiculous to own one that that it is at best a dream. Also, I really do think Boeing is a source of issues in the aviation industry. This is all about ruts. Aviation is in a huge one right now and Boeing has a lot of the blame for creating that rut. Ruts are inevitable though for math reasons beyond this post so I don…

You seem to assume they will magically get out of their rut for some reason. If cutting costs is the rut boeing is in, what will cause them to get out of it? For a poorly functioning company, bankruptcy is the usual, but mcdonell douglas and boeing are strategic assets, so bankruptcy isnt allowed, and they can take our tax money and deliver death.
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