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In a 2 day span I saw George Soros and Tucker Carlson get hit by Community Notes. Gave me some hope that Elon is serious.
> get hit by Community Notes How does that work? can anyone post a "community note", or by what process is that decided?
Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims
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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims
#312This post was flagged, but I don't think it should have been and I hope it stays up. I have been grateful that HN hasn't had the same level of animosity about the conflict in Gaza as other places on the internet. But this news article is about a core issue in tech, and should be discussed on HN. The whole world now uses social media to communicate, which means that when there's a war, partisans of both sides will be…
> My engineer brain wants to solve this by giving users more visibility into moderation decisions. Visibility into moderation decisions makes them more gameable/exploitable/circumventable. The whole purpose of moderation is to remove unwanted speech; justifying the fairness of such removal is only secondary, and can be elided if it interferes with the primary goal. Hence "You have been banned because your posts viola…
Exactly; consider the "censorship" that everyone generally agrees with, spam filtering. If the precise nature of the spam filter is known (keyword lists, etc), then it becomes much easier to design emails that avoid being filtered.
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
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"It's already cost 7,000+ children's lives" Please. They aren't bombing hostage locations to free hostages. The effort to eliminate Hamas has cost 7000+ children lives. That number won't stop growing when hostages are freed. Can we stop bringing up the 200 hostages in response to the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians? It's a rounding error by comparison and a sad reminder that in 2023, to some, some lives are…
"to some, some lives are worth 100 times more than others."
I feel like that's true for most people/all most everyone ? You've got the thought experiment of: How many strangers lives would you trade for a family members well being ?
Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims
#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
i've been seeing a fair amount of pro genocide / racist material on the israeli side, not so much on the pro palestinian side. The closest is seeing "from the river to the sea" creatively misinterpreted.
"creatively misinterpreted" It's not a misinterpretation to take the meaning of the phrase as it's stated and understood. That's like saying "blood and soil" doesn't mean what it means. Or Intifada. "Oh don't be silly... they don't REALLY mean that." They absolutely mean it. You're being disingenuous to deny the commonly understood meaning of a clearly genocidal phrase while defending it. Then you complain of others…
Will be free != will be genocided. As I said, it's a creative misinterpretation.
If you want to see what a call for genocide looks like, listen to the prime minister of israel:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu-openly-calls-...
This just scratches the surface of the extreme levels of racism permeating every level of Israeli society and the foreign racists who support it.
Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims
#315People still use Facebook?
Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims
#316One day, there will be a bigish war, and comms between the sides will be cut off, either by law, or all comms links severed. At that point, every global business will have to figure out how to split their business in two, their database in two, their server infrastructure in two, etc. and have both halves work. I suspect that few businesses have prepared for such an eventuality, and I suspect severe disruption can be…
This already exists with China. You have to run a Chinese version of your infra that is separate from the global version.
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#317This is something people have to relearn over and over again.
A lot of the people who are not upset with Meta limiting opinions and content related to the war in Gaza¹. Were gloating and happy when Meta limited opinions and content from right wing politicians² not so long ago.
Once you invite censorship for content you dont like, how can you expect it wont bite you in the ass later on.
This is why freedom of speech is an important principle. That overshadows how someone "feels" about speech.
Everyone is in favor of freedom of speech. ""Dictators such as Stalin and Hitler, were in favor of freedom of speech for views they liked only. If you're in favor of freedom of speech, that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise." -Noam Chomsky
Slightly related though originating from a different context.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak for me. —Martin Niemöller
Which in this context I use it to highlight that the protection of freedom of speech is not something you can ignore because you dont care about a topic. One must speak out against censorship and against limiting freedom of speech, whenever it is being limited. If we dont, then it becomes a bit more limited, and a little bit more, and eventually it will strike upon something you do care about, and it is far too late to speak up.
¹,² For this post I am assuming this is accurate. But i cannot prove either.
Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims
#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but this doesn't scale for humans reading it, especially as you follow more people. Just having the option to not see anything I am not explicitly following and always seeing posts in reverse chronological order would be nice. Right now I barely ever go to Facebook because my timeline is a mess. I've manually unfollowed all my friends and yet the spam comes through.
> I've manually unfollowed all my friends and yet the spam comes through. If you've unfollowed everyone what do you expect to see?
Not the one you're replying to but I unfollow all, but a couple people.
Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims
#319One day, there will be a bigish war, and comms between the sides will be cut off, either by law, or all comms links severed. At that point, every global business will have to figure out how to split their business in two, their database in two, their server infrastructure in two, etc. and have both halves work. I suspect that few businesses have prepared for such an eventuality, and I suspect severe disruption can be…
> At that point, every global business will have to figure out how to split their business in two, their database in two, their server infrastructure in two, etc. and have both halves work. Or give up serving one side. Probably the one the executives of the company don't live in. Like how many companies stopped operating in Russia after their war in Ukraine got into high gear.
In such a situation, I foresee something more like the splitting of the Roman Empire. There's no reason to stop serving global customers just because the users are separated from HQ. Especially if the servers are already on both sides of the geo-political border.
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