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What do entitlements have to do with not asking for user permission though? Seems like separate issues.
Entitlements don’t require user permission.
I think it varies by entitlement?
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This mentality is fascinating to me. In a sense, nobody owns an Apple device. It's more like renting: the landlord keeps a bunch of doors locked and has strict rules, but the place comes pre-furnished and includes millennial-grade amenities. I can see the appeal if you don't particularly care about owning a device, but it blows my mind that people become so dedicated to this way of living.
I think the renting analogy is a decent one and I’m on the other side of this, so let me give you my perspective. When you own a home, you are 100% liable and responsible. If anything breaks, it’s an unexpected demand on my time and/or an unexpected expense. When you rent, you just call the landlord and say “shit’s broke” and it’s no longer your responsibility. I don’t have the mental bandwidth these days for the une…
> I’ll literally pay a premium for someone to take options away from me rather than have yet another place I need to exercise my self control.
Thank you, this makes a lot of sense to me! I'm still on the other side of it personally, but I can genuinely understand this position. So many times these sorts of discussions are so pointless as they go back and forth with things like "you don't have to enable that option if you don't want to" and people saying "somehow I'll have to" with these weird hypotheticals that seems ludicrous, but yours is a solid argument.
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This mentality is fascinating to me. In a sense, nobody owns an Apple device. It's more like renting: the landlord keeps a bunch of doors locked and has strict rules, but the place comes pre-furnished and includes millennial-grade amenities. I can see the appeal if you don't particularly care about owning a device, but it blows my mind that people become so dedicated to this way of living.
I love that your analogy hit me so hard that I came to question my iPhone SE. I think the main issue for me is that I have not found a better alternative elsewhere. There are some interesting locked down and privacy focused variants of Android, but I am not sure I could use them with the banking and personal ID apps that are almost "required" unless I have to jump through additional hoops daily. But thought provoking…
It doesn't work for everything, but many banks will have a website you can use just fine from the phone's browser. If you're trying to do full payments with the phone that won't work of course, but if you get a physical credit card/debit card you can (usually) do everything else with the mobile site. This is what I do for my Graphene OS phone
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No, you can reject permissions, but not entitlements. Entitlements are granted (statically, per developer certificate or maybe app ID, not sure) by Apple, permissions are (optionally) granted by users at runtime. The only way to not have an app making use of an API gated by (only) an entitlement is to never install it. Of course there could be permissions that are gated behind entitlements, but in this case it seems…
And even then, an app can block usage until you allow a permission; ie Snapchat doesn’t need the camera permission to allow you to chat but will block usage of the app until you enable it.
Snapchat has allowed you to chat without camera permission for years on Android. It's still required on iOS?
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I wonder if there is a service to automate small (or large) donations to multiple organizations on a regular basis similar to an investment service? Edit: I can only find services marketed towards the nonprofit, not for the donor. A service that aggregated and automated all the nonprofits I want to regularly donate small amounts to would be great. I think it would be important to not require the nonprofits direct inv…
https://www.charitynavigator.org/donor-basics/tools-for-givi... How's this look?
Thank you that one looks great
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You buy Apple hardware, which is a pretty strong signal that you trust Apple.
Two party marketplace. I don’t trust Apple, but the competition is not any better.
There are alternatives. Privacy based software and hardware. But the inconveniences that come with it are not insignificant.
I plan on moving in that direction at some point, but for now I’m not ready.
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The developer of the Camera app already has access to all the photos in your Photos app. What benefit would a prompt have for the user?
Not sure if this is what you mean, but there could be multiple apps installed that write to the device photo library. You may not want the developer of one camera app to be able to access all photos on the device. But this raises a related point about how frustrating Apple's APIs are here: When an app is granted the "Write to photo library" permission by the user, it can only write. It can't read back what it's writt…
This seems like more of an issue for app developers than for users.
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Not sure if this is what you mean, but there could be multiple apps installed that write to the device photo library. You may not want the developer of one camera app to be able to access all photos on the device. But this raises a related point about how frustrating Apple's APIs are here: When an app is granted the "Write to photo library" permission by the user, it can only write. It can't read back what it's writt…
This seems like more of an issue for app developers than for users.
If the app developers are prevented from building a good user experience, that affects users in a huge way.
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> and sell it to whomever they'd like Is there any evidence that car manufacturers are harvesting data from drivers' phones and selling it without consent?
https://www.businessinsider.com/most-car-companies-can-colle...
That article does not mention harvesting data from drivers' phones and selling it without consent.
"we just allowed Car Manufactures (sic) to pump as much contact data and location data as they can off your phones and sell it to whomever they'd like"
Is there any evidence anywhere of what you stated as fact?