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Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by anonymous_sorry »

zurfer wrote: post #253

I don't buy it. If you listen to Sam and Greg, they want to change the world and bring us into a world of abundance that everyone can participate in. They were the ideators of this "awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company". Microsoft is setup to create shareholder value. That's it. Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

> Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

What does the word "moot" mean in this context?

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by comboy »

zurfer wrote: post #253

I don't buy it. If you listen to Sam and Greg, they want to change the world and bring us into a world of abundance that everyone can participate in. They were the ideators of this "awkward non-profit owning a for-profit company". Microsoft is setup to create shareholder value. That's it. Both of them will eventually find it moot to advance tech so a few folks get richer.

Yeah I'm surprised about Sam joining MS based on he usually says. But on the other hand, that's a pretty neat move - you fire me - now I own you (simplification, maybe).

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

baz00 wrote: post #284

Not sure what the big deal is here. The tech and engineering team is surely the most valuable asset, not the CEO. Edit: comment retracted. People going with him!

Depends on what proportion of engineers/scientists follow the CEO to Microsoft.

Also with a lack of direction (and by extension funding) even the best engineering team won’t be able to achieve that much (they might be able to hire better management, of course I have no clue)

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by aiman3 »

mighmi wrote: post #247

What is Sam's actual value re: AI and not just as a CEO/salesman-evangelist to get funding, which Microsoft doesn't need? Is he particularly apt at leading/managing research teams? OpenAI's slow productization doesn't imply he's a product/idea guy a la Jobs.

that is what i thought, when Sam was fired, i think he is kind of people can be replaced by AI generated something ( ai-ceo ), not that complicate compare to engineer or scientist. and another replaceable one is Satya Nadella. and the ai-ceo maybe much less evil than them, since they are the one convert ( i am not sure if they committed fraud ) the non-profit, open source entity to for-profit and closed source entity.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by adeelk93 »

hef19898 wrote: post #177
tsunamifury wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He doesn’t have to write down the investment that came in the form of azure credits. He just doesn’t have to deliver. The core thing he is 100% focused on is not having a massive stock drop Monday morning. That’s it that’s his reason to exist all weekend long. After that. He has time to figure it out.

Don't forget, MS has a board as well. One Satya reports to the same way Sam reported to the OpanAI one. Potantially loosong 10 billion is nothing the board will just shrug off.

Microsoft’s share price swings about more than that on a daily basis

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by gexla »

mighmi wrote: post #247

What is Sam's actual value re: AI and not just as a CEO/salesman-evangelist to get funding, which Microsoft doesn't need? Is he particularly apt at leading/managing research teams? OpenAI's slow productization doesn't imply he's a product/idea guy a la Jobs.

At the least, probably a good PR move for MS. It's a good move to counter whatever weight would be going against the MS stock price given they made a huge investment into OpenAI.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by qwery »

eddtries wrote: post #18
waihtis wrote: post #8

Anyone else find it strange that startup founders of the magnitude of Sam & Greg would join a gigantic corporation as employees? It sounds very out of line of what you'd expect.

Maybe Sam thinks OpenAI will be so important he has a shot at CEO of Microsoft in a couple years?

Lol, maybe. Ballmer was a friend of Gates, was 44 years old and had worked at Microsoft for 20 years (2000-1980) already when he became CEO. Nadella was also forty-something and had worked at Microsoft for 22 years (2014-1992) when he got the job.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by yanis_t »

alvis wrote: post #229
tw1984 wrote: post #200

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Indeed. Sutskever should have been able to foresee the move. It's just not hard to see Altman will just get another place to continue what he has done in OpenAI. Maybe his hope is he can slow him down like a year or so? But now by joining MS, it's effectively no much difference.

I was thinking exactly this. If the original idea was to slow things down, then that kind of turmoil is exactly what was required. OpenAI will slow down under the new CEO and because talent is leaving. Altman will slow down, because he will need to build thing from the ground up.

Re: Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft

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Post by pjmlp »

mighmi wrote: post #254

Can someone help me understand what Sam's actual value is? He doesn't seem to be a particularly important practitioner/researcher re: AI and is "just" a CEO/salesman-evangelist to get funding, which Microsoft doesn't need? Is he particularly apt at leading/managing research teams? OpenAI's slow productization doesn't imply he's a product/idea guy a la Jobs.

The people that would rather have him as boss.

I know several people that keep changing company when their favourite leardership changes into another one.

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