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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by sgregnt »

ignoramous wrote: post #203
valine wrote: post #97

Not a word from Ilya. I can’t wrap my mind around his motivation. Did he really fire Sam over “AI safety” concerns? How is that remotely rational.

> Did he really fire Sam over "AI safety" concerns? How is that remotely rational. Not rational iff (and unlike Sustkever, Hinton, Bengio) you are not a "doomer" / "decel". Ilya's very vocal and on record that he suspects there may be "something else" going on with these models. He and DeepMind claim AlphaGo is already AGI (correction: ASI) in a very narrow domain ( https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/2311.02462/ ).…

Can you please share the sources for Ilyas views?

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Post by frabcus »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #204
azurezyq wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, we are dealing with people and people think differently so they won't move altogether. Moving to a new company under Alt is not an easy choice, at least the new company: - Does not yet have a big model (need $$$ and months to train, if code is ready) - Does not have proprietary code OpenAI has right now - Does not have labeled data ($$$ and time) and chatgpt logs - Does not have ChatGpt brand...

I thought GPT-4 was not trained on labeled data, but simply on a large volume of text / code. Most of it is publicly accessible: wikipedia, archives of scientific articles, books, github, plus probably purchased data from text-heavy sites like Reddit.

Whatever they've built this year presumably uses all the positive/negative feedback on ChatGPT that they have a year worth of data now...

Another examples is the Be My Eyes data - presumably the vision part of GPT-4 was trained on the archive of data the blind assistance app has, and that could be an exclusive deal with OpenAI.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

chubot wrote: post #108
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #57

I still cannot process what’s happened to one of the most prominent and hyped companies of the past year in just one weekend. If it’s true that Altman won’t return to OpenAI (or alternatively: that the current board won’t step down) then where does that leave OpenAI? Microsoft can’t be happy, as evidenced by reporting that Nadella was acting as mediator to bring him back. Does OpenAI survive this? Will be super inter…

What I think is funny is how the whole "we're just doing this to make sure AI is safe" meme breaks down, if you have OpenAI, Anthropic, and Altman AI all competing, which seems likely now. Do you really need all 3? Is each one going to claim that they're the only ones who can develop AGI safely? Since Sam left, now OpenAI is unsafe? But I thought they were the safe ones, and he was being reckless. Or is Sam just goin…

>Do you really need all 3? Is each one going to claim that they're the only ones who can develop AGI safely?

What we need at this point is a neutral 3rd party who can examine their safety claims in detail and give a relatively objective report to the public.

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Post by 15457345234 »

alsodumb wrote: post #272
15457345234 wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every OpenAI researcher he could find on twitter Literally the literal definition of 'selection bias' dude, like, the pure unadulterated definition of it.

Like I said, if the subset of OpenAI researchers who are on twitter is very small, sure. But people in AI/learning community are very active on twitter. I don't know every AI researcher on OpenAIs payroll. But the fact that most active researchers (looking at the list of OpenAI paper authors, and tbh the people I know, as a researcher in this space) are on twitter.

> But the fact that most active researchers ... are on twitter

On twitter != 'active on twitter'

There's a biiiiiig difference between being 'on twitter' and what I shall refer to kindly as terminally online behaviour aka 'very active on twitter.'

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Post by himaraya »

alsodumb wrote: post #303
himaraya wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, Sam & Greg had the opportunity to confront Adam about the obvious conflict and likely could have forced him to step down if they wanted him to. They made their choice. Zero mention about Adam & Poe in the leaks from Sam's camp also suggests Sam doesn't fault Adam's character here.

I didn't read OpenAI's company charter, but forcing Adam down would probably require a board majority. It's not like they would have made Adam step down if they wanted to.

It would, but a PR campaign like the one waged this weekend would probably leave Adam little choice. Sam clearly underestimated the board either way.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by tibbydudeza »

RIP OpenAI - gone like MySpace but not through fickle customers but self inflicted hubris.

Microsoft might as well hire the entire team leaving and give them a Dave Cutler team like deal - do what you folks want in San Fransico - full autonomy reporting directly to the CEO but and make us some god dammed money already.

All that compute credits from Microsoft - hasta la vista baby.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by Palmik »

Emmett is a self-proclaimed AI doomer. Given some of his Tweets from the past, it's likely the board indeed wants someone who will takes things slower: https://archive.is/tuf3s https://archive.is/sNvvs

This is probably not something you want to hear as a researcher who is motivated by pushing the frontiers of our capabilities, nor as a researcher who is motivated by pushing their compensation.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Post by ignoramous »

sgregnt wrote: post #311
ignoramous wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did he really fire Sam over "AI safety" concerns? How is that remotely rational. Not rational iff (and unlike Sustkever, Hinton, Bengio) you are not a "doomer" / "decel". Ilya's very vocal and on record that he suspects there may be "something else" going on with these models. He and DeepMind claim AlphaGo is already AGI (correction: ASI) in a very narrow domain ( https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/2311.02462/ ).…

Can you please share the sources for Ilyas views?

https://archive.is/yjOmt
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