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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by codr7 »

thomasskis wrote: post #282
davemccrea wrote: post #237

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Can you offer some specifics? In what parts of Swedish society is this degradation most acute?

I’m really curious how about how good it used to be? It feels to me like there’s a cultural resistance to be self critical of the whole, and that is slowing down wide-scale progress. I moved to Sweden 2 months ago (from Seattle, where I grew up) but over the last decade I’ve lived in Seoul, Singapore, Bangkok, and Reykjavik. The government here feels most similar to the US, worse in some ways. Paperwork is like a hob…

Yeah, tell me about it. The thing that sickens me the most is that Swedes in general are still very keen to pat themselves on the shoulder about what a great country they live in; even though it's mostly memories by now.

Been there, done that. Getting a bank account once I moved back was a major pita. I still haven't been able to renew my drivers license since I've been moving around without a fixed address. That part isn't new though, it's been like that as far back as I can remember.

But at least back in the days, the system worked, you got something back for your troubles.

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Post by defrost »

ersii wrote: post #306
jacquesm wrote: post #158

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They're not going to fix it because then nobody will vote for them. Besides, they can't fix it, they just needed a bogeyman and there isn't much to fix to begin with. All that you can do is educate and aim to reduce the gap with the next generation or to accept that your own culture isn't static. Ask the Scottish how they feel about Sweden exporting its culture a while ago.

> Ask the Scottish how they feel about Sweden exporting its culture a while ago. What's this referring to?

Sweden | Norway | Denmark made #thuglife a thing across modern Scotland, northern and eastern England, much of Ireland, established DaneLaw, crashed the old Roman bathhouses, and turned Dublin into a major European slave teading hub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw

    The Danelaw originated from the invasion of *the Great Heathen Army* into England in the year 865, although the term was not used to describe a geographic area until the 11th century.

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Post by bilbo0s »

jongjong wrote: post #142

I've been predicting a rise in numbers of 'good gangs' in the west for years now. Of course it must start with a rise in bad gangs first. I believe we're heading towards anarchy. The law just doesn't serve the majority anymore.

No such thing as a "good gang" man.

Only more targets.

Gangs are horrible entities that have to be stamped out via swift decisive action. Take it from us in the US. The whole reason we have to deal with the half of the politicos who shoot up walmarts, and the half of politicos who loot walmarts is because too many politicos protect their pet gangs and terrorists.

Don't let this happen to you.

Now in the US we have to take out our shooters and looters while their protectors maneuver to make that difficult from on high. I'm pretty sure you'll see a lot more prosecutions of politicos like you're seeing with Trump. It's basically step one if you want to take back malls, walmarts and churches from the shooters and the looters. You'll end up having to take down a lot of politicos and then bring the hammer.

That's never pleasant.

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Post by silenced_trope »

kypro wrote: post #299
silenced_trope wrote: post #102

> Those on the right largely blame immigration, which has added 2mn people to the country in recent decades. Those on the left point to social factors, including the privatisation of Sweden’s welfare system which has led to worse services in deprived areas. Probably both things are true. When countries take in large amounts of immigration, their generous welfare systems can become stressed. Sweden didn't balance the…

As long as the immigrants coming are paying into the system more than they take it's not a problem. The issue is purely the type of immigrants Sweden welcomed. We should be clear about this because even at scale immigration can work well, and be a net benefit economically. Another problem Sweden though is that they also didn't import people with compatible cultural values. So you have a population of people who are u…

> I just wish people listened years ago when people like myself suggested it was likely to play out like this instead of being so mean and accusing us of all having hateful motives. There's no going back now.

Agreed. Unfortunately those people who leveled accusations will face no consequences. Even if you were to bring up that they wrong, naive, selfish, you'll just get a shrug from them and a "get over it". Like the results and end-game don't matter to them now, when before they swore with their life that it mattered and anyone in opposition was a xenophobic piece of crap.

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Post by slaw »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #297
slaw wrote: post #65

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Switching Firefox setting 'Enable secure DNS using:' to 'Off', instead of 'Default Protection' which is Cloudflare helped. Thank you.

Changing that setting to use https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls instead would have helped also. Without degrading anything else.

That works. Thank you.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by defrost »

letrowekwel wrote: post #233

It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. That's not a real migration policy, it's just a recipe for creating a segregated society. The Swedish welfare state has certainly taken care of the basic needs of the migrants, but it hasn't really worked well at actual integration, and creating social m…

> It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be.

Literally the founding story of European Australia .. the bulk of poor uneducated landed here had criminal records to boot.

Still, they were given work to pass the time and after a few decades 'free' land (well, other peoples land).

These days modern Australia population is ~ 25% born elsewhere with a fair number of refugees and poor migrants but these are matched with education, job opportunities and initial placement in communities they can establish themselves in.

That support is pretty crucial to minimising friction.

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Post by romafirst3 »

workfromspace wrote: post #304
m000 wrote: post #273

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What are you going to do if you are a huge country, with a small population and a tiny birth rate?

"fettered" migration.

You make a joke but you've hit on something. I would argue that the American model is "fettered" migration (also apparent in gulf states and plenty of other countries), that is you allow illegal immigration but use it as a strait jacket to bind the migrants in. You force them to work below minimum wage in poor conditions that your citizens would never accept and then marginalize and vilify them when you need a scapegoat. I would say that is "fettered" migration and it doesn't work great either.

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Post by romafirst3 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #82
carlosjobim wrote: post #57

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What does the US have to do with the article? Why is it a relevant country for comparison?

Maybe HN User romafirst believes the US is the relevant nation in any discussion on any subject? Some people are just US-centric. They believe everything should be looked at through the lens of how it affects the US. It's just how they are.

what I said above.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by mupuff1234 »

andrekandre wrote: post #235
mupuff1234 wrote: post #69

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> specific type of immigrants that are against western liberal values by this do you mean to say immigrants should be evaluated based on their group association or by individual merit?

Individual merit.

Not that different from hiring, diversity is great but as long as you can agree on set of common values.

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