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Re: New models and developer products

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According to [1], the new gpt-4-1106-preview model should be available to all, but the API is telling me "The model `gpt-4-1106-preview` does not exist or you do not have access to it." Anyone able to call it from the API? 1. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8555510-gpt-4-turbo

FYI, it's working for me now

Re: New models and developer products

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Do you also get those hallucinations just on silence? I kind of wonder if they had a bunch of training data of video with transcripts, but some of the video/audio was truncated and the transcript still said the last speech, and so now it thinks silence is just another way of signing off from a TV program. IMHO the bottleneck on voice now is all the infrastructure around it. How do you detect speech starting and stopp…

You're right, I think that's exactly what happened. Silence is when you get the most hallucinations. But there is a trick supported by some implementations that helps a lot. Whisper does have a special token that it predicts for silence. You can look at the probability of that token even when it's not picked during sampling. Hallucinations often have a relatively high probability for the nospeech token compared to ac…

So why doesn't the model score that higher then? I'm guessing there's an inherent trade off and they picked/trained it with enough silence vs non-silence?

Re: New models and developer products

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So over a year later and openai couldn’t be further ahead of all its competition. Google is still trying to catch up with its ai-flavoured Google search 2.0 and it’s becoming painstakingly clear that this was also the wrong path taken. They’re not even playing in the same league.

Re: New models and developer products

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In people's experience with these sorts of tools, have they assisted with maintainance of codebases? This might be directly, or indirectly via more readable, bette organized code. The reason I ask is that these tools seem to excel in helping to write new code. In my experience I think there is an upper limit to the amount of code a single developer can maintain. Eventually you can't keep everything in your head, so m…

> If these tools help to write more code, but do not assist with maintainance, I wonder if we're going to see masses of new code written really quickly, and then everything grinds to a halt, because no one has an intimate understanding of what was written?

Yep. Companies using LLMs to "augment" junior developers will get a lot of positive press, but I guess it remains to be seen how much the market consistently rewards this behavior. Consumers will probably see right through it, but the b2b folks might get fleeced for a few years before eventually churning and moving to a higher quality old-fashioned competitor that employs senior talent.

But IDK, maybe we'll come up with models that are good at growing and maintaining a coherent codebase. It doesn't seem like an impossible task, given where we are today. But we're pretty far from it still, as you point out.

Re: New models and developer products

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Most of the products announced (and the price cuts) appear to be more about increasing lock-in to the OpenAI API platform, which is not surprising given increased competition in the space. The GPTs/GPT Agents and Assistants demos in particular showed that they are a black box within a black box within a black box that you can't port anywhere else. I'm mixed on the presentation and will need to read the fine print on…

> Assistants demos in particular showed that they are a black box within a black box within a black box that you can't port anywhere else.

I'd argue the opposite. The new "Threads" interface in the OpenAI admin section lets you see exactly how it's interpreting input/output specifically to address the black box effect.

Source: https://platform.openai.com/docs/api-reference/runs/listRunS... tells you exactly how it's stepping through the chain. Even more visibility than there used to be.

Re: New models and developer products

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Every day this video ages more and more poorly [1]. categories of startups that will be affected by these launches: - vectorDB startups -> don't need embeddings anymore - file processing startups -> don't need to process files anymore - fine tuning startups -> can fine tune directly from the platform now, with GPT4 fine tuning coming - cost reduction startups -> they literally lowered prices and increased rate limits…

Probably best not to make your company about features that a frontier AI company would have a high probability of adding in the next 6-12 months.

Re: New models and developer products

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Most of the products announced (and the price cuts) appear to be more about increasing lock-in to the OpenAI API platform, which is not surprising given increased competition in the space. The GPTs/GPT Agents and Assistants demos in particular showed that they are a black box within a black box within a black box that you can't port anywhere else. I'm mixed on the presentation and will need to read the fine print on…

I don't understand the lock-in argument here. Yes, if a competitor comes in there will be switching cost as everything is re-learned. However, from a code perspective, it is a function of the key and a relatively small API. New regulations outstanding, what is stoping someone from moving from OpenAI to Anthropic (for example) other than the cost of learning how to effectively utilize Anthropic for your use case? Open…

> However, from a code perspective, it is a function of the key and a relatively small API.

You're thinking of traditional apps and APIs.

In an AI application, most of the work is in prompt engineering, not wiring up the API to your app. Prompts that work well for one model will fail horribly for another. People spend months refining their prompts before they're safe to share with users, and switching platforms will require doing most of that refinement over again.

Re: New models and developer products

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There are a lot of huge announcements here. But in particular, I'm excited by the Assistants API. It abstracts away so many of the routine boilerplate parts of developing applications on the platform.

how so?

Apart from RAG which many others are discussing elsewhere in the thread, a big one is gradually summarizing long conversations that exceed the context window. This had to be done manually before when using the api but it sounds like it's built in to the new assistants api.

Re: New models and developer products

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Well it won’t because they’ll use the model you paid for and take your customers.

Is it the same as avoiding AWS because they will take your software and run it themselves to steal your clients?

This hasn't happened often, but it has happened. Elastic search for example.

Also dynamo db.

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