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EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Re: EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Post by manuelabeledo »

quest88 wrote: post #301
manuelabeledo wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't threaten me with a good time.

I don't know how much better it would actually be! We'll have ads no matter what. And honestly, I prefer the relevant and targeted ads compared to what we had before.

> And honestly, I prefer the relevant and targeted ads compared to what we had before.

I don't mind ads that are relevant, according to the context.

I mind ads that are generated based on a profile one or more companies have built about me.

Yeah, let's see ads about RC models in a forum about RC models, or ads about Bluetooth modules in a website about microelectronics. That's fine. They will still make money, and the ads would still be somehow targeted.

I don't need to see ads relevant to my Google searches about grieving, when I browse the news.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mjburgess wrote: post #90

Comments here so far focus on personalised ads as the issue -- but that's a symptom of what's being banned, which is the mass collection of personal data. Personalised ads are beside the point. The issue is how they are personalised, namely by building a rich profile of user behaviour based on non-consensual tracking. It isnt even clear that there's a meaningful sense of 'consent' to what modern ad companies (ie., go…

> increasingly microsoft

Will the EU fix Windows by banning the insane amount of tracking they do? Would be nice. The OS is literally at its peak in terms of being great, but all the telemetry, forced accounts and Microsoft ads keep the meme alive that Windows is awful, when in fact, if you remove those three things I mentioned, you have an insanely reliable and polished OS, all my issues with Windows have always come from customizing the core OS, it just doesn't quite behave the same, I would eventually format due to issues, the moment I stopped tampering and tinkering, I've stopped reformatting Windows.

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Post by falsaberN1 »

autoexec wrote: post #106
kwanbix wrote: post #6

I know in HN there is a big "personalized advertising" is bad sentiment, but I don't get what the problem is. I mean, if I am looking for a notebook, I rather have FB/IG (or Google or whatever), show me adds of a notebook that I might end up buying, instead of the generic poker/porn adds that we had on the beginning of the internet. It is almost impossible to have a free internet without ads. So on one side, people w…

> It is almost impossible to have a free internet without ads I'd argue that it's impossible to have a free internet with ads. I'm old enough to have seen the internet before it was ad infested and it wasn't lacking for great content. Humans seem to have a need to share (or at least show off). Who is paying you to post comments here on HN? I'm guessing nobody, but here you are, contributing to the internet for free.…

Couldn't agree more. There's this odd notion that you can't be involved into anything you don't directly profit from, and while that might be a great mindset for business, it's not quite "in touch".

Value is relative. Some people value attention, showing off, the nice feeling of helping others, contributing to a community, stuff like "I made this tool to help with a task I struggled with, maybe it can help others too, I'll put it in Github" or simply having a good time. People's time is their own, and they'll use it however they want.

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

devsda wrote: post #286
pb7 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s infinitely easier to avoid the companies you don’t like than it is to vote out any part of government. You have near zero power to remove someone you don’t like because your vote is worth next to nothing. However, you have full power to avoid the products and services of a company.

> It’s infinitely easier to avoid the companies you don’t like than it is to vote out any part of government. If you can avoid a company, the fact that there is an acceptable alternative itself says that the market is not monopolized and so there is less chance of abuse. In the markets where abuse is possible there are often monopolies, or there is illusion of choice like a (colluding or copycatting)duopoly or one wh…

> If you can avoid a company, the fact that there is an acceptable alternative itself says that the market is not monopolized and so there is less chance of abuse

Avoiding a company doesn't necessarily mean there's an acceptable alternative. I could use no social media and my life wouldn't be much worse or burdensome.

There's very little I can do to prevent the government from doing what it's doing by myself.

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Post by willy_k »

mey wrote: post #283
lapphi wrote: post #236

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Upon logging into okcupid today I received a pop up inviting me to join The League (another dating app), with my phone number already pre-propagated. After accepting, they sent me this email. > We use the combination of your Facebook and LinkedIn data plus your About Me and Photos to ensure we are building a balanced, high-achieving and diverse community. Our screening algorithm looks at indicators like social influe…

It sounds like their marketing blurb just copied Tom Scott without understanding the horror it's supposed to represent. https://youtu.be/WByBm2SwKk8

Can’t tell if you mean this literally or not. I doubt this video had any significant influence the blurb.

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Post by DudeOpotomus »

Nice to read this. Its not the medium, nor the media, its the business model that is the problem.

The incentives are perverted and the outcome imbalanced. The entire ad tech universe is built on false metrics, lies and fraud. Burn it all down.

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Post by zonotope »

bradleybuda wrote: post #307
lapphi wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upon logging into okcupid today I received a pop up inviting me to join The League (another dating app), with my phone number already pre-propagated. After accepting, they sent me this email. > We use the combination of your Facebook and LinkedIn data plus your About Me and Photos to ensure we are building a balanced, high-achieving and diverse community. Our screening algorithm looks at indicators like social influe…

Okcupid and The League are owned by the same company. So that’s a first-party, in platform ad

I don't think that's the issue. The issue is they use your "profile" from other companies like facebook and linkedin to decide whether or not you're worthy of joining. What other things will people who refuse to use these apps be rejected from if more companies adopt this screening strategy? Jobs? Schools? Grocery stores?

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Post by [deleted] »

bluelu wrote: post #268

I don't understand why this only applies for Facebook then. 2 1/2 years, ago they opened up a loop hole for newspapers that they are explicitly allowed to do it (Either you pay, or when you use their free version, you must accept to be tracked for behavioural advertising). Are they any better than facebook? Some example news sites: www.zeit.de, www.spiegel.de More information on this: https://www.heise.de/news/E-Priv…

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Post by vasdae »

xigoi wrote: post #293
pb7 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s infinitely easier to avoid the companies you don’t like than it is to vote out any part of government. You have near zero power to remove someone you don’t like because your vote is worth next to nothing. However, you have full power to avoid the products and services of a company.

You can avoid the services of Google and Facebook, but you can't avoid their tracking. Every other website you browse will let them know and your family and friends will happily tell them about you.

Of course I can, I can use ublock or pihole or whatever.
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