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We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Post by lelandfe »

nickpp wrote: post #294
MBCook wrote: post #21

Reevaluating to build public trust would have been fixing things when their cars kept blocking the street or preventing ambulances from getting where they need to go. NOT waiting until you ran over over someone who was hit by a car and then dragging them along the pavement, followed by lying to investigators about it. You don’t get trust back after that. How much do you want to bet all the other cities were suddenly…

Are you sure those incidents actually happened? The first was debunked: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/viral-video-reckless-... Driverless cars seem statistically safer than human drivers already.

Robots are held to a higher standard than us dumb humans

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Post by bobthepanda »

ecolonsmak wrote: post #275
ZoomerCretin wrote: post #60

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Time to bring back trolley cars!

Or a way to have automobiles behave like trolley cars during the segment of the journey that makes the most sense.

Unless people start standing in personal cars, mass transit will always have a higher capacity.

That, and its significantly easier to make every bus have a wheelchair space or two than to retrofit every car to be wheelchair accessible.

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Post by iancmceachern »

greiskul wrote: post #193
iancmceachern wrote: post #126

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Yes, but those deaths could also be "solved" with mass transit.

Yeah, but let's be realistic. The US car dependency is something that to change would both require major reconstructions of multiple cities, and a cultural shift that is just not happening. It is easier to solve fully self driving cars, for every single weather and situation, then it is to convince Americans that maybe a train to their neighborhood is a good idea.

I'm an American, I think trains are good. They're actually building a big train line in my neighborhood next year, right in front of our building in fact.

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Post by kilobite88 »

piffey wrote: post #98
melling wrote: post #64

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“What incredible inconvenience are we trying to solve?” 40,000 deaths in the United States every year. Hundreds of thousands of costly accidents We can’t get great transportation even in the New York City area. We have 0 miles of high-speed rail, while China built 25,000 it’s great that you want to start building some mass transit, but it’ll take a century if we start now. Let’s start by having trains take you to the…

There are over 30 US cities with trains to the airport. Another half dozen on the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airport_rail_link_syst... US also has almost 350 miles of high speed rail, not 0. The Northeast is where it’s all concentrated with Acela being the fastest. If you live in a major city in the States it’s often way easier and faster to take rail. In Seattle for instance you can beat a driver to…

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Post by kilobite88 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #209
piffey wrote: post #98

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There are over 30 US cities with trains to the airport. Another half dozen on the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airport_rail_link_syst... US also has almost 350 miles of high speed rail, not 0. The Northeast is where it’s all concentrated with Acela being the fastest. If you live in a major city in the States it’s often way easier and faster to take rail. In Seattle for instance you can beat a driver to…

"Mass transit is the solution." I spent most of my 45 years of age in public transport, I only had a car for a year and a half (and a total lemon, I don't miss that). Yet I say: beware of people who speak of THE solution . For mass transit to work, population density matters. At least in the EU, there is a trend of people being priced out of capital cities to the surrounding countryside, where the population density…

You got downvotes because most people are incapable of nuanced thinking, especially on this subject.

Yes public transport is one of the key talismans in the church of the utopian left.

Public transport in the US is in a terrible state and needs to be massively expanded and funded, yet it cannot solve all of the transportation requirements of our massive economy and geography.

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Post by kilobite88 »

05 wrote: post #219
danjac wrote: post #216

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Mass transit in the US is a political problem. Political problems in the US are unsolvable by design. So driverless cars it is. Meanwhile countries where political problems are not unsolvable by design (either because they are dictatorships or they don't have broken political systems) will move ahead with mass transit.

Yeah but China also has its own self driving cars, and Baidu already operates a taxi service without safety drivers in multiple cities. I guess it’s not a dichotomy between driverless and mass transit..

thank you

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Post by kilobite88 »

defrost wrote: post #114
adrr wrote: post #101

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Driverless cars are significantly safer than human drivers. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2309/2309.01206.pdf

"So far" With less than 4 million miles of pure rider only data by relatively early Waymo rollouts in two cities it can be argued there's room for the claims per million miles to climb as the number of deployments rise.

Does it not drive the same roads as human drivers? 4 million miles = 4 million miles.

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Post by kilobite88 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #207
melling wrote: post #64

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“What incredible inconvenience are we trying to solve?” 40,000 deaths in the United States every year. Hundreds of thousands of costly accidents We can’t get great transportation even in the New York City area. We have 0 miles of high-speed rail, while China built 25,000 it’s great that you want to start building some mass transit, but it’ll take a century if we start now. Let’s start by having trains take you to the…

There's no evidence that self-driving cars would drive any better and plenty of evidence that they're in fact, worse. It's just wishful thinking.

There are mountains of evidence, but you're just unwilling to emotionally accept it.

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Post by l33t7332273 »

Faaak wrote: post #229
l33t7332273 wrote: post #177

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Is it ass-up?

Unrelated, but what's the goal of obfuscating obviously known "bad" words ?

I don’t obviously know the word though. Was it intended to be ass?
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