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I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by _cenw »

mdhb wrote: post #74
mdaniel wrote: post #60

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Well, AIUI "reach the front page of HN" was always the only cited way of getting any help with a Google problem, so in that way this is a derivative of that scenario

Also I never see this mentioned but just for anyone who isn’t clear… Google do actually offer great support, I pay like $30 a month for it and I can speak with real engineers who give super detailed answers. It’s just not free. But the paid offering is great in my experience.

I've used GCP support on accounts with huge support contracts and enterprise agreements and it's still a bit of a wash if you get good support on your first, second or even third run around the reply button.

At least it isn't (paid) Azure Support - that one is noticeably outsourced to people that sometimes lack basic comprehension for the problem. I once asked about their VPN Gateway and got a random API Gateway response, then nothing for a week, and then a new rep.

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Post by anisov »

QasimK wrote: post #310
jillesvangurp wrote: post #301

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We used cloud run for a while and it's great. It does not allow for background threads though and that caused us to upgrade the setup eventually. Upgrading from cloud run to use proper vms was very easy because vms can be booted with a docker container as one of the arguments. It will just go off and run that with a default OS. Running docker containers in gcloud is super easy. And scaling that is easy too. Basically…

I’ve used Cloud Run and it does allow for background threads.

I think they introduced this feature lately: https://cloud.google.com/run/docs/configuring/cpu-allocation

you can set --no-cpu-throttling which keeps the cpu allocated even if the request lifetime is over. Used it for Background tasks

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Beijinger »

Ameo wrote: post #22

My two cents, GCP has a few excellent gems which are better than pretty much any competing cloud offering: - Cloud Run. Best way to deploy containers hands down. All of the benefits of a serverless/containerized workload with all the ease of a traditional VPS deployment. Extremely cheap (pay $0 for side projects with little traffic). - BigQuery. Very easy to use with immense power without having to deal with the deta…

$0.0012/GB/Month

That is interesting. How to you access this API? Can you do SFTP?

This has about the same pricing:

https://www.opendrive.com/pricing

(Yes, it says unlimited, but they told me, they significantly slow it down after 10 TB)

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Post by Rebelgecko »

judge2020 wrote: post #47
Eridrus wrote: post #26

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What odds would you like to bet that GCP is going to be gone in 10 years?

If they do want to kill it, I can see them giving as little as a 5 year window before everything is shut down. Odds? Nobody's a fortune teller, but it was still being subsidized by ads with 3B loss in its FY22[0 p. 70], only increasing 100M in profit despite cloud revenue growing from 19B to 26B overall [0 p. 66]. They're either going to need to increase costs or add more "killer" products with large margins if they…

It's already profitable (although the Q2 profits were apparently a few million below wall street's expectation)

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by Beijinger »

JSavageOne wrote: post #29
Ameo wrote: post #22

My two cents, GCP has a few excellent gems which are better than pretty much any competing cloud offering: - Cloud Run. Best way to deploy containers hands down. All of the benefits of a serverless/containerized workload with all the ease of a traditional VPS deployment. Extremely cheap (pay $0 for side projects with little traffic). - BigQuery. Very easy to use with immense power without having to deal with the deta…

Yes Google Cloud Run is my go-to for all my side projects, and AWS doesn't have anything equivalent. Never saw any reason to use AWS for that reason as Google has everything else I'd need. And if I just want a cheap VPS, would prefer to use something cheaper like Linode or Digital Ocean.

Is google so cheap?

I am a small fish in the big sea but I use this for my personal projects:

https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by donatj »

We still use AWS but it's been a couple years since I've really needed to dig into it because we have very competent people who'se job that is now.

My memories of having to find the right form, paste the right ID of the right server/bucket/lambda into are pretty traumatic. A TON of guesswork. Lot of what felt like duct taping things together.

If you don't have a full mental model of how everything works, they're certainly not going to help you get one without reading documentation. Their documentation is for the most part top tier, but the UX makes it more important than it arguably should be.

There's a difference between not handholding and just being obtuse, and I feel like so much of AWS's UI/general design philosophy falls into the latter camp.

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Post by physicsguy »

raffraffraff wrote: post #303
jsnell wrote: post #147

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Sure, sure. I totally get where you're coming from. By the way, how's the Fire Phone holding up for you these days? I assume it's still working well and powerful enough to do your web searches on a9.com, and read sites like the Amapedia and DPReviews. Do you happen to know how many of the Alexa.com top500 sites it can browse, or do you need to ask on Amazon Askville? But I know it won't be able to play Amazon's hit g…

Those are almost (if not all ) consumer facing products. I get it though - most of the complaints leveled at Google relate to their shutting down of consumer facing products. What's Google's track record for removing cloud infrastructure services? In the context of this thread, that comparison would be interesting.

Them offloading domain registration is pretty bizarre

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Post by jnwatson »

rossjudson wrote: post #176
jsnell wrote: post #147

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Sure, sure. I totally get where you're coming from. By the way, how's the Fire Phone holding up for you these days? I assume it's still working well and powerful enough to do your web searches on a9.com, and read sites like the Amapedia and DPReviews. Do you happen to know how many of the Alexa.com top500 sites it can browse, or do you need to ask on Amazon Askville? But I know it won't be able to play Amazon's hit g…

Possibly the best comment I have read on this topic...like ever. Do Microsoft next!

That would be a novel.

Re: I think GCP is better than AWS (2020)

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Post by denvrede »

gorjusborg wrote: post #63
craigmcnamara wrote: post #6

I find the GCP documentation to be lacking compared to AWS. Specifically while using GCP with Terraform I hit more frustrating nonsense error messages with little to no google hits or undocumented behavior around IAM config compared to my experience doing similar things on AWS.

I had the same gripe when I worked with GCP. Their stuff is exotic, and had weird behaviors in corners, but the docs didn't give you enough context to steer away from them. However, over the last 5 years or so, AWS docs have gotten worse. So I guess now that they are both bad I can't complain?

Did they? Do you have an example at hand? We ran into "weird" issues a lot of times with AWS services just to discover afterwards that almost all of them were covered by their documentation.

It was totally our fault and these were also no "hidden" docs.

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Post by aenis »

fomine3 wrote: post #298
badrequest wrote: post #253

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If it doesn't scale down to zero, then it doesn't compete with Cloud Run.

It depends on use case. Some corps don't care about down to zero.

In fact, I was waiting for years for them to add a min instances option. But otherwise, agree, been running large and small production workloads since it launched and its been great.
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