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Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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> I suspect this is a result of the tax system in the US which is structured in a way that strongly incentivises parents into marriage. the gain from married to Married filing separately is insignificant.

The gain is from married filing jointly while one partner is not working. At $100k it roughly halves the income tax you pay.

Or where one partner earns significantly more, like $150k vs $50k - joint filing still puts you in a lower tax bracket.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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On a slightly related note, why is it that one gets lynched on twitter nowadays any time one brings up that "correlation doesn't imply causation"?

Because it’s on you to show what about the correlation makes causation unlikely, and most people don’t take that step. We all know correlation isn’t causation, that’s trite and obvious. Why wouldn’t the correlation between married parents and better child outcomes be causative?

"what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence"

It's on the person who is implying a causation to state why they think that there is such a causal relationship.

Marriage success and child success have so many other things that they are correlated to: Home ownership, IQ, wealth, zip code, parental educational background, ability to talk about feelings, empath, conflict skill, ...,

So somebody comes around and picks "Marriage" out of this huge list, and somehow now the burden is supposed to be on the listeners to disprove it?

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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On a slightly related note, why is it that one gets lynched on twitter nowadays any time one brings up that "correlation doesn't imply causation"?

Are you sure there is a causative relation between bringing it up and getting eviscerated? Perhaps a third process correlates them.

I am sure, because people literally say: 'I will ban anyone who says "correlation doesn't imply causation"'

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post #227

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On a slightly related note, why is it that one gets lynched on twitter nowadays any time one brings up that "correlation doesn't imply causation"?

Because it has become a lazy thought terminating cliche since people say it and then contribute nothing else of value.

It's also lazy and pointless to have a discussion based on 0 evidence.

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> Kearney says she's not advocating that children live in a household filled with marital tension or where parents are unhappy or mistreating each other. Then what is the proposed solution? Pointing out the problem is the easy part. But if you want more people to be married, and if they're currently choosing not to get married, then you need to either force them to get married against their will (institutionalized sh…

First step is to realise that it's not marriage itself that's helping the kids. The marriage is just the symptom of something else.

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As someone from Europe, I can't understand the inability of mainstream US culture and media to disentangle marriage from long term stable relationships. Take this paragraph from the article: > More women are deciding to have children and also remain single. Almost half of all babies born in the U.S. were born to unmarried women in 2019, a dramatic increase since 1960, when only 5% of births were to unmarried mothers.…

To be fair, the author may provide a discussion of this in the book. The NPR reporter was just summarizing what they thought was important.

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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>Wow, that's incredibly reductive. Asia has approx 4.7 billion people! Asian cultures are generally more collectivistic than individualistic compared to the West.

The west used to be much more collectivist. Christianity as it's been practiced for most of history is a collective religion. The rise of individualism corresponds to the rise of atheism and agnosticism and 'nones' in the west.

Are you able to back this up? American individualism has existed for multiple generations, well before the rise of acceptance for atheism/agnosticism/“Nones”.

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> Collectivism has its downsides. Collectivism also has upsides. I’m fascinated by Mormons because they seem to me to be the most Asian white people. Mormon men have a life expectancy almost 10 years longer than other white men. They have among the highest social mobility in the country. They, along with Jews, top the charts in measures of mental well being. And this is all happening within the context of America. Th…

Strong, socially-enforced taboos against alcohol and tobacco consumption are probably a major driver of the longevity difference.

And a small community of actual friends. Friendship matters re longevity. It's worth working towards.

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Or the gender neutral, invariant noun: “widowen” BTW, shouldn’t “widower” be the person who died and the survivor be called “widowee”?

That may seem reasonable but widower is a man whose spouse died. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/widower “Etymology Middle English widewer , alteration of wedow widow, widower, from Old English wuduwa widower; akin to Old English wuduwe widow”

> Old English wuduwa

It's one of these more universal words of Indo-European origin: https://ids.clld.org/parameters/2-770#2/14.4/149.7

Re: Children of married parents do better, but America is moving the other way

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It's mad, no? When I ask people point blank why they're getting married, they just stare at me. Obviously part of that is because I'm being autistically rude in asking such a questions, but I haven't heard any compelling answers either.

Possibly you're not seeing the answers you're given as compelling because of your perspective. I can speak from an Islamic perspective and say that sexual relationships are considered immoral outside of marriage, so a man and woman cannot create a family and have kids unless they get married.

> sexual relationships are considered immoral outside of marriage, so a man and woman cannot create a family and have kids unless they get married.

People commit immoral acts in all cultures.

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