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Re: Anti-Anti-Adblocker uBlock filter to get rid of the annoying YouTube message

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Post by CuriouslyC »

jeroenhd wrote: post #285
CuriouslyC wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let content creators figure that out with their audiences. YouTube should just be a batteries included public video hosting service, with video creators as the customer. Creators with video views passing a threshold would need to pay google or have their videos downgraded to 240p, then temporarily disabled if they continued not to pay. Users would get some amount of space and bandwidth as part of a free tier to help…

Can you imagine some small time Roblox Youtuber blowing up and ending up with a sudden bandwidth bill in the hundreds of thousands? Popups with "this month's watch count has been reached, please ask @contentcreator to pay for more views"? Making uploaders pay would absolutely destroy the platform.

The only person hurt under that scheme would be just that, people who go viral out of nowhere. Other users could re-upload the video to mirror it though, so there's an easy workaround.

Seems like a small price to pay for a YouTube with integrity that respects both creators and viewers and treats both fairly without trying to exploit anyone.

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Post by rerdavies »

throw_nbvc1234 wrote: post #249
unshavedyak wrote: post #131

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I think it's somewhat defendable when youtube doesn't give you an option to pay for what you'd be "stealing". Overall i agree with you, but lets not pretend that Youtube doesn't feel exploitative in the corporate behavior here. Especially considering the data they're stealing from me, harvesting and selling, etc. Ie show me the ads i'm missing, and let me pay for the view. It would be what, $3|5|7/m or w/e in value?…

You're not just paying Youtube/Google for the ad, you're paying the content creators as well. You can always buy the music directly from artists if you don't like Spotify's revenue model. Or ditch Spotify and use the free Youtube Music subscription you get with premium, maybe combined it'd be worth the $14 to you.

Youtube music is actually pretty remarkable. I'm a jazz musician. One of the remarkable features of YouTube is that if you're looking for a particular recording of a jazz tune (e.g. Lou Donaldson's The Masquerade Is Over, on the Blues Walk album, 1953), it's just there. The depth of the collection is quite amazing.

And as an added bonus, if you subscribe you get no ads on youtube! :-P

Re: Anti-Anti-Adblocker uBlock filter to get rid of the annoying YouTube message

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Post by rerdavies »

Spivak wrote: post #115
mvdtnz wrote: post #94

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You're just rationalising. You know it's not a defensible position.

Sure it is, you're not even involved in the transaction. Just because someone pays Google to show an ad doesn't mean you have to look at it. USPS is funded by ads going through the mail and I throw them straight in the trash without remorse. I bet you do too. Bet you don't feel guilt about going to the bathroom or fast-forwarding your DVR during commercials either. Ad space is sold on the possibility that someone wil…

I can't actually remember the last time I got mail-mail.

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Post by MBCook »

aiunboxed wrote: post #132
TerrifiedMouse wrote: post #121

I think the only "happy ending for everyone" if Google is going to ban ad-blockers for YouTube is if they make the ads less annoying. What makes YouTube's ads annoying: - the number of them 2 ads at the start is way too much. 1 max. Middle of video ads should be content creator controlled. - the ads they choose to show Google showing me the same few very annoying (to me) ads and gives me no option to avoid those spec…

And no ads in between of meditation videos No ads when you are driving - since you can't skip them

Maybe don’t watch YouTube while you’re driving?

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Post by MBCook »

lacrimacida wrote: post #290
cjmcqueen wrote: post #240

I like YouTube Premium. It's worth it. For a bunch of tech people... Wouldn't we see more people wanting to pay for software, a service and intellectual property?

How much from youtube premium goes to creators?

More than the $0 ad blocking gives them?

There are anecdotes from creators in this thread explaining they get a lot more from premium than from ads.

I hate ads. I like supporting creators. And I like paying for services I use.

YouTube premium is absolutely worth it. The number of people I know with very good salaries who refuse to pay a small amount a month for something they use constantly (this or other examples) never ceases to amaze me.

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Post by MBCook »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #311
jeroenhd wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you imagine some small time Roblox Youtuber blowing up and ending up with a sudden bandwidth bill in the hundreds of thousands? Popups with "this month's watch count has been reached, please ask @contentcreator to pay for more views"? Making uploaders pay would absolutely destroy the platform.

The only person hurt under that scheme would be just that, people who go viral out of nowhere. Other users could re-upload the video to mirror it though, so there's an easy workaround. Seems like a small price to pay for a YouTube with integrity that respects both creators and viewers and treats both fairly without trying to exploit anyone.

“I don’t want to pay $15/mo.

But if a creator I like gets a big bill, I’ll take their video and re-upload it without their permission to mirror it and cut down their bandwidth bill.

Now I only pay $400/mo!”

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Post by MBCook »

sneak wrote: post #33
gruez wrote: post #13

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"a place where there are fewer ads" requires some alternate form of monetization. If "paying for it" isn't acceptable to you, what's left?

I’m fine paying for content (I subscribe to Nebula and Spotify, for example); I am not fine paying to enrich organizations that engage in widespread surveillance and ad technology. Ads make the world worse. Creators make it better. Google’s problem is that their mission statement is fundamentally misleading. They aren’t here to organize the world’s information and make it accessible, they are here to maximize ad reve…

So because a company sells ads and you don’t like that, you refuse to pay them to not see ads?

Only ensuring that they will try to show even more ads since not enough paying customers exist?

Don’t you think that maybe if all the people in this thread being really righteous about not paying and “ad company“ or to actually pay it might show them there’s a better way?

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Post by ajdude »

cjmcqueen wrote: post #240

I like YouTube Premium. It's worth it. For a bunch of tech people... Wouldn't we see more people wanting to pay for software, a service and intellectual property?

I'd consider YouTube premium if they implement something similar to sponsor block and actually block in-video advertising by the content creators. Google isn't giving me an add-free experience if every creator is telling me to buy NordVPN or join nebula.

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Post by f33d5173 »

MBCook wrote: post #317
sneak wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m fine paying for content (I subscribe to Nebula and Spotify, for example); I am not fine paying to enrich organizations that engage in widespread surveillance and ad technology. Ads make the world worse. Creators make it better. Google’s problem is that their mission statement is fundamentally misleading. They aren’t here to organize the world’s information and make it accessible, they are here to maximize ad reve…

So because a company sells ads and you don’t like that, you refuse to pay them to not see ads? Only ensuring that they will try to show even more ads since not enough paying customers exist? Don’t you think that maybe if all the people in this thread being really righteous about not paying and “ad company“ or to actually pay it might show them there’s a better way?

They're a "give away a product for free for 15 years to gain market share then act indignicant when people won't pay whatever price you ask" company. I think that's what people don't want to support.
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