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Post by tchaffee »

bumby wrote: post #304
tchaffee wrote: post #266

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Just as there is a level of alcohol use that is "zero risk". But that level might be one drop in a glass of water at meals, and a level which has zero pleasurable effects.

That's just it, though. The WHO says there is no level of alcohol use that is "zero risk." The difference between toxicity and therapeutic use is what helps define the safety of the substance. There are some, like psilocybin mushrooms, that have a relatively monstrous gulf between therapeutic doses (in the mcg) and toxic doses (presumably in the kg). They are quite safe, though not zero risk. I believe alcohol is rel…

They drink wine on a daily basis in at least some of the blue zones where people regularly live to a hundred years old or longer. So it's not reasonable to say alcohol is relatively unsafe. Relative to what and in which circumstances?

As far as cannabis being "pretty darn safe", a recent study shows it causes heart disease. And more than one study shows it increases the risk of heart attack for up to an hour.

What we really need is an end to prohibition, and continued funding for studies on the substances that are the most popular so folks can make the most informed choices.

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Post by aurareturn »

eschaton wrote: post #305
aurareturn wrote: post #247

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I watched the documentary on blacks and weed on Netflix. I'm not an expert. I have some idea. I do not care about racism in weed or the past. I'm speaking purely from my own experience. I'm also speaking on weed's influence on my future children. Weed does not exist on a vacuum. It doesn't exist for only users and not at all for non-users.

Who are you to restrict your future children’s access once they’re adults?

We pass on learnings to our children. Even when they’re adults, they are our children.

You can’t possibly think kids having easy access to drugs is good.

If you do, you’re just speaking like an addict and I would suggest some help.

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Post by keepamovin »

claytongulick wrote: post #279
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I’m continuously, fascinated by how many commentators on HN are actually having a background in psychiatry and psychology. I took one or two psych classes in college, but I never got the feeling there was any overlap with tech really at all. probably things have changed now but—-This likely sounds dismissive of psychologist and psychiatrist with regards to technology and I’m sorry for that it’s not what I mean. I’m j…

In my case it was pretty straightforward. I wasn't a psychologist or psychiatrist, I was a Hospital Corpsman in the Navy (medical, kind of like a nurse), I went to what is called "C" school for training in psychiatry, and worked on a few different in-patient psych wards. The closest civilian equivalent would be somewhere between a psych tech and a psychiatric nurse. As for how I got into that - I sort of fell into it…

That's such a cool story! Thanks for sharin :)

I like how the Navy gives people a chance when they might not otherwise, and how you did so well on all your tests that you blew away your high school expectations. So cool!

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Post by keepamovin »

jliptzin wrote: post #274
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Seeing the diversity of opinions and experiences here I am inclined to believe there is an interaction between the genetics of the strain, and your own genetics that determine whether your particular habit become something which is addictive for you. This is highly fascinating, and opens the door towards in nuanced manipulation of marijuana plant genetics in order to create strains with the benefits, but without the…

That would be great. I have a friend who get severe panic attack if he uses the wrong strain. Any other strain and he has a great night. I forgot whether it was sativa or Indica that does it

Plants are so fascinating. Yeah it's weird how diverse the experiences can be...and how it's about the whole of plant chemistry, not just a single compound.

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Post by eschaton »

aurareturn wrote: post #312
eschaton wrote: post #305

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Who are you to restrict your future children’s access once they’re adults?

We pass on learnings to our children. Even when they’re adults, they are our children. You can’t possibly think kids having easy access to drugs is good. If you do, you’re just speaking like an addict and I would suggest some help.

I don’t think kids having easy access to lots of things is a good idea. However, I think adults having easy access to those same things is fine.

Why would you bring up that straw-man unless you think that you should still be able to control your children’s choices after they become adults? They may be your descendants, but when they are no longer children, you don’t get more than an advisory role in their choices.

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Post by hydrok9 »

aurareturn wrote: post #312
eschaton wrote: post #305

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Who are you to restrict your future children’s access once they’re adults?

We pass on learnings to our children. Even when they’re adults, they are our children. You can’t possibly think kids having easy access to drugs is good. If you do, you’re just speaking like an addict and I would suggest some help.

"Learnings." Your English is a bit strange. You are not a native speaker I take it?

In my part of the world, legalization has made it harder for kids to get pot, not easier.

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Post by hydrok9 »

aurareturn wrote: post #218
quickthrowman wrote: post #201

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Being addicted to alcohol is easily an order of magnitude more destructive to a person and the people around them than chronic marijuana use. It’s not even close. I’ve been to inpatient chemical dependency treatment twice, once for opiate addiction and once for alcohol addiction. There were 0 people that were inpatient for marijuana use.

Just because alcohol addiction is worse for you, doesn't mean weed is good for you.

But the problem is the ADDICTION, not the substance itself. People are trying to point out that if you are against marijuana legalization (because people become addicts), then you must also be against legal alcohol, as it is a much more destructive and addictive substance. And you haven't answered with anything except "weed is bad for you!"

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Post by mensetmanusman »

hydrok9 wrote: post #307
mensetmanusman wrote: post #306

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I believe it’s left wing authoritarianism. The government said it was bad, so everyone back the party line.

Yes and they are very conservative in many social policies, including drugs (conservative = maintaining ("conserving") the status quo).

Sure if you define conservatives to mean authoritarian leftists who want to conserve their rules and laws, I agree:

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Post by hydrok9 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #318
hydrok9 wrote: post #307

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Yes and they are very conservative in many social policies, including drugs (conservative = maintaining ("conserving") the status quo).

Sure if you define conservatives to mean authoritarian leftists who want to conserve their rules and laws, I agree:

Nice snarky bad-faith response. It's obviously not what I said. I hope you get better at dealing with people who threaten your sense of superiority.

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Post by pfannkuchen »

zachkatz wrote: post #293
pfannkuchen wrote: post #280

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This is exactly what I’m talking about. That is too cartoonish to be real. I’m not denying that whichever person lobbied or propagandized in whatever way, but it is extremely unlikely to have been the main cause. A more plausible explanation is that there is an emergent phenomenon where the use of cars drastically reduced the degree of coordination required to develop usable residential property. People are generally…

I know it seems too cartoonish to be real, but if you read about Robert Moses, you’ll see that it is shockingly true. He didn’t just lobby and propogandize; he had absolute power over all public works projects in NYC. That’s not a typo or an exaggeration—absolute power, outside of the established system of checks and balances. And he genuinely loved cars, and hated public transit, so his projects were all designed as…

It isn't the story itself that I'm saying is cartoonish (though it may be as well). It is jumping from that factually happening to that being the primary cause for the nation's car centric infrastructure and lifestyle. IME an emergent social dynamics explanation is much more likely to be correct than a conspiracy theory most of the time.
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