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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by briansm »

jader201 wrote: post #196
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change This really shouldn’t be the top comment on this thread without some sort of reference to cost/benefit analysis to back it up. Otherwise this appears to be an overly extreme solution to give climate deniers fuel to not listen to more reasonable solutions.

It's not like anyone on this message board has a little 'crash the economy' button on their keyboard.

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Post by RandomLensman »

dopidopHN wrote: post #278
RandomLensman wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need for it to happen. This weird idea that getting poorer will ensure the long-term survival of humans is in error.

Don’t you think oil will keep getting more expensive? That what I had in mind. It seems more and more costly to extract it.

Oil will eventually be very cheap because demand will be a lot less than it is now.

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Post by akira2501 »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers.

That's because I live in a market economy and I have no desire to live in your planned economy without any democratic process in place to represent me.

> but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change.

"We should make decisions that will kill people and shorten their life expectancy, because I believe there aren't any other compromises that can be made to impact pollution."

Yea.. it's is weird to say, it's also demented and inhumane.

> And yes, I don't believe it's only rich people, it's also middle class people who generate a lot of emissions, and I'm a leftist.

And the rest of the world that hasn't developed yet? We still just don't spare any thoughts for them at all.

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Post by EatingWithForks »

pentae wrote: post #258
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

I'm going to guess you've never spent much time outside the bubble of the first world. After living extensively overseas in Latin America & South-east Asia and seeing how its part of everyday life for most people in the rest of the world to openly burn trash, plastics, car tyres.. litter everywhere, cutting the cat converters off their trucks, dumping construction waste straight into rivers.. it's been eye opening. N…

I think it's actually more complicated, because a lot of the construction, etc. is caused by demand from the western countries. Also, western countries consume proportionately more flights, cars, electronics... pretty much all the actual major industry-sized consumption is disproportionately consumed by the west, even if a portion of individual westerners (certainly not all) are eco-conscious, no-waste, plastic-free vegans.

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Post by thriftwy »

nroets wrote: post #269
thriftwy wrote: post #257

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Europe has tons of cars and air travel that is cheaper and more plentiful than that of US.

Europe may have many cars, but they are smaller and drive shorter distance. Perhaps air travel is cheaper. But wages are lower meaning people need to work more hours before they can take a flight.

Yes, that was golden when US mandated larger, more powerful cars with the cover up of green regulations. Do not disagree here.

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Post by replygirl »

gbanfalvi wrote: post #247
replygirl wrote: post #167

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right, now imagine the hysteria that would come from doing that actively and intentionally to everyone on an accelerated schedule. thwarting cancer by downing a bottle of cyanide

I'd say it's more like thwarting cancer with chemotherapy: an unpleasant experience necessary for survival.

the analogy doesn't hold for me. my mom just finished chemo the other week, and it definitely wasn't close in effect to what she'd've dealt with otherwise. she went on living her life as usual, minus some household chores

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Post by Sargos »

FrankyHollywood wrote: post #292

All these comments mentioning cutting down on energy. It will help a bit, but the real problem is there are just to many people on earth. A world wide one-child policy like it used to exist in China [1] would be a real solution in keeping earth a pleasant place to live. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

First world countries already have 1 child per family with the rest of the world also moving that direction as they grow wealthier. This policy wouldn't actually do much to help and would likely cause massive unintended consequences like China is dealing with right now.

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Post by Gareth321 »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

Poor people don’t have the luxury of caring about the environment. Making people poorer is guaranteed to make things worse.

I don’t think we need to make everyone’s lives worse. It’s not politically viable. We don’t need to give up computers and well insulated homes and medicine. Technology will help us reduce pollution and emissions. It’s just going to take time.

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Post by rambojohnson »

pentae wrote: post #258
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

I'm going to guess you've never spent much time outside the bubble of the first world. After living extensively overseas in Latin America & South-east Asia and seeing how its part of everyday life for most people in the rest of the world to openly burn trash, plastics, car tyres.. litter everywhere, cutting the cat converters off their trucks, dumping construction waste straight into rivers.. it's been eye opening. N…

the point is that if it's that vs. the oceans consuming continents, it's probably not that big a deal BY COMPARISON. stop virtue signaling.

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Post by the_optimist »

Davidzheng wrote: post #232
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #199

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Thanos is that you? Wanting to kill people now, to hopefully save the environment in the future.

You have to consider how many people will die in the future from climate change

This sort of extremist desperation plants the seeds for justifying horrific, subhuman destruction. There are no limits. This is beyond dangerous, it’s foolish and cancerous.
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