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Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by rchaud »

b1n wrote: post #135
anderspitman wrote: post #111

Lot of negative comments here but IMO this is huge. The best way to keep anything commercial good in the long term is competition, and the only way to have competition with web services is if users can go somewhere else, which requires a portable identity/username and open protocols. Bluesky is currently the only platform offering both in a convenient package. Even Mastodon doesn't make it this easy[0]. [0]: https://…

HN hating on something doesn’t guarantee success but it is a prerequisite.

Like the Metaverse?

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by rchaud »

lapcat wrote: post #38
prakhar897 wrote: post #26

Bluesky is dead. Nobody is going to move again. They had the chance of outrun threads but slept on it. Whatever they release now, will never get initial users to get it off ground.

> They had the chance of outrun threads but slept on it. I don't think that's a fair criticism. Threads is backed by a $750 billion market cap megacorporation, while Bluesky just announced a seed round of $8 million, a mere drop in the bucket for Meta. https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/7-05-2023-business-plan

It's a very fair criticism. FB has spent the past year shedding 000s of jobs, losing untold billions on metaverse and turning IG into Tiktok.

Dorsey couldn't manage get a head start even with all that? If anything I'd think he was a CEO that gets easily distracted by the next shiny thing (Square, crypto, Nostr), which really doesn't bode well for Bluesky.

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by RestlessMind »

tsimionescu wrote: post #144
devjab wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Identity management is the biggest issue with social media. I'm on mastodon, but my "identity" is tied directly to the server instance that I'm on. If something happens to that server instance then I'm basically losing my "identity". If my "identity" was tied to a domain I owned then keeping it would be as simple as changing a few DNS settings. I don't know enough about Bluesky to say if it's actually going to be an…

Except of course when for whaetever reason you won't be able to pay your DNS provider for some time, and you'll lose your identity to someone else. DNS is really not a good platform to build personal identity on.

devjab is saying how having identity based on domain names you own is better than identity based on server instances (or centralized social media providers like FB, Google etc). You haven't really refuted their point, which still stands in spite of risk of losing your domain if you don't pay in time.

Btw, do you have a better proposal to mitigate the risk of failure to renew domain registration in time?

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by rchaud »

FlyingSnake wrote: post #174
prakhar897 wrote: post #26

Bluesky is dead. Nobody is going to move again. They had the chance of outrun threads but slept on it. Whatever they release now, will never get initial users to get it off ground.

It might not be dead, but it has definitely dropped the ball. My timeline on Bsky somehow always show people taking a dig at other rivals, and self congratulations. People regularly diss twitter, Mastodon and now the feed is full of people dissing on Threads. This bsky-is-not-twitter identity that bsky network latches onto will be detrimental to itself. Also there are no federated servers anywhere in sight so far.

I see this on Mastodon too unfortunately. Too much chatter about "the others". Unfortunately many of these people are refugees from Twitter and appear to be in a perpetual state of trying to make the replacement feel like Twitter in '09.

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by lapcat »

rchaud wrote: post #312
lapcat wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They had the chance of outrun threads but slept on it. I don't think that's a fair criticism. Threads is backed by a $750 billion market cap megacorporation, while Bluesky just announced a seed round of $8 million, a mere drop in the bucket for Meta. https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/7-05-2023-business-plan

It's a very fair criticism. FB has spent the past year shedding 000s of jobs, losing untold billions on metaverse and turning IG into Tiktok. Dorsey couldn't manage get a head start even with all that? If anything I'd think he was a CEO that gets easily distracted by the next shiny thing (Square, crypto, Nostr), which really doesn't bode well for Bluesky.

> FB has spent the past year shedding 000s of jobs, losing untold billions on metaverse and turning IG into Tiktok.

This just shows that Meta has a massive amount of resources available. They could afford to hire like crazy, which they did, and they could afford to lose untold billions. How many 000s of jobs and billions of dollars can Bluesky lose? (Zero.)

> Dorsey couldn't manage get a head start even with all that?

See this comment about Dorsey: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36627988

> If anything I'd think he was a CEO

He's not the CEO of Bluesky.

> gets easily distracted by the next shiny thing (Square, crypto, Nostr)

No, that's his main thing. He was distracted by also being CEO of Twitter, and Twitter suffered from that. He seemed like just a glorified mascot, on Twitter to shill for his other stuff. Remember also that Bluesky started as a Twitter project, but it basically got tossed out by Twitter after the Musk acquisition (along with almost everyone else).

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by mrguyorama »

jpwerty wrote: post #107
guraf wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I currently have a list of fourteen people waiting for a code. That tends to happen when there's an exclusive club, people want to peak in. It is, in no way, an indication of the quality of the platform. > the waves of repugnant users or miserably overbaked features. That tends to happen when there's hardly any users at all. The "repugnant" or "normals" will flock in all the same, if the platform ever takes off. >…

Thanks for the cynicism but the quality of the platform is that I can currently, today , communicate with strangers and friends in good faith without being pelted by noxious crap or adtech gone asymptotic. Maybe it'll all be the usual grim broken carnival barking shit when you have an account too, but for right now we're all twirling in a teacup here.

The noxious crap and adtech were all strapped on to Twitter by Jack, why would that not happen again?

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by guraf »

tsimionescu wrote: post #197
anderspitman wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While there's some truth to this, it's more of an incidental problem with DNS than an intrinsic one. There's nothing preventing registrars from simplifying their UX to target average customers, including multi-year registrations and ample warning systems.

No, it's really a fundamental problem with DNS. Owning a DNS name is, by design, a temporary deal. Ultimately the domain name system is meant to help give a user-readable name to your IP, not to establish your identity for your entire life.

You've left 12 comments on this thread. In all of them you're very confident about your superior understanding.

And yet you seem to be really confused about the difference between DNS and a domain name registration.

Curious.

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by tsimionescu »

RestlessMind wrote: post #313
tsimionescu wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except of course when for whaetever reason you won't be able to pay your DNS provider for some time, and you'll lose your identity to someone else. DNS is really not a good platform to build personal identity on.

devjab is saying how having identity based on domain names you own is better than identity based on server instances (or centralized social media providers like FB, Google etc). You haven't really refuted their point, which still stands in spite of risk of losing your domain if you don't pay in time. Btw, do you have a better proposal to mitigate the risk of failure to renew domain registration in time?

The status right now is that you have one identity for each service you interact with. If that service decides to ban you or goes down or you get your identity stolen, you lose that identity, but keep your identity on all of the other services you use. In the worse case, if you didn't tell people about your other identities ahead of time, they may still search for you and find you somewhere else.

If several services recognized your identity by virtue of having the same domain name, the fallout from losing that identity is much worse: you lose access to all these services at once, and whoever gets the domain name next will gain access to all of your followers and have a pre-built history. And if one service decides to ban you, you'll be exactly where you were if your identity was specific to that service.

So, with DNS-based cross-service identities, you are at best in the same place as having service-specific identities, and at worse, much worse off.

Additionally, a service which bans your account will typically not give the same name to a new user, or, even if they do, they will still separate the two identities / cleanup all previous posts. A DNS registrar will absolutely give the same domain to someone else if you stop paying for it, and any services which recognize that as your identity may not even know that a change in ownership has taken place.

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by tsimionescu »

guraf wrote: post #317
tsimionescu wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's really a fundamental problem with DNS. Owning a DNS name is, by design, a temporary deal. Ultimately the domain name system is meant to help give a user-readable name to your IP, not to establish your identity for your entire life.

You've left 12 comments on this thread. In all of them you're very confident about your superior understanding. And yet you seem to be really confused about the difference between DNS and a domain name registration. Curious.

Care to point out what confusion you think I'm making, instead of snidely implying I have no idea what I'm talking about?

Re: Purchase and manage domains directly through Bluesky

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Post by klysm »

greyface- wrote: post #153
dkh wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, there is no @mark, if you have @mark on bluesky, your username is actually @mark.bsky.social. Every user is attached to a domain name no matter what, so this feature lets you at least use your own instead of theirs.

> The thing is, there is no @mark Not yet! Is ICANN still accepting applications for new gTLDs?

Huh? That’s not like a valid domain though
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