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Kagi raises $670k

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Re: Kagi raises $670k

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Post by barbazoo »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #289
karaterobot wrote: post #251

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I've been using it since the beta, and am still paying for it. I shared your concerns at first, but in practice I've never run into the limit. In fact, checking my history, I've never actually gotten close to the limit. I pay $10/mo for 1500 searches, and most months I do less than 500 searches. I don't think the search quality is anything special. I have never figured out how to use Lenses, and I don't even care to…

This is my usage: Jun 2023 1171 May 2023 822 Apr 2023 2451 Mar 2023 3700 Feb 2023 3632 Jan 2023 5664 Dec 2022 1245 I found that most of my searches are in my phone actually.

> Jan 2023 5664

That's 183 searches per day, assuming 8 hours of sleep that's 11.5 searches per hour, that's roughly a search every 5 minutes. That's a busy month :)

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #304
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #297

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That would mean it's safe if "you" are Google or Microsoft+OpenAI as no one else has both a search index and an LLM.

You don't need to have both to sell search index access to anyone with an LLM, which seems like just about anyone these days.

Why would publishers allow you to crawl their sites if you're not sending them any traffic?

The big publishers certainly won't let you do that as they are selling their data to Google, Microsoft, Facebook and whoever else has the money to train a fully fledged LLM, which is certainly not everyone.

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Post by philwelch »

karaterobot wrote: post #298
philwelch wrote: post #296

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How are you paying for it? Can’t they trace your searches back to you via your payment method?

I'm sure they can, but until new information comes to light, I'm trusting that their business model makes it against their interests to do that.

I would be more inclined to trust them if they had a warrant canary. I can’t seem to find one.

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Post by parker_mountain »

rightbyte wrote: post #128
parker_mountain wrote: post #96

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> I have no doubt the majority of HN users could easily come up with ranking algorithms that would outperform Google's by a large margin Google is facing incredible adversaries whose only goal is to subvert their search. These adversaries are extremely skilled, motivated, and effective. You're probably right that many people can do better than Google, until you get enough traction that these adversaries pay attention…

> Google is facing incredible adversaries Are they? Google could manually remove the worst SEO sites from the index and like reduce the spam you get for dev queries with like 95%. It takes time to build up rank and like 10s to remove the site. There is an extension that does this client side for Firefox. Try it. (I don't remember the name. I only have it on desktop). The only explaintions are that Google is too dysfu…

> Are they? Google could manually remove the worst SEO sites from the index and like reduce the spam you get for dev queries with like 95%.

Do you think they don't have a huge team doing just that? Easier said than done.

> The only explaintions are that Google is too dysfunctional to do anything or they are doing it on purpose to increase revenue. Otherwise there is no way the SEO would suddenly become this bad.

This is not based in reality.

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

barbazoo wrote: post #311
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my usage: Jun 2023 1171 May 2023 822 Apr 2023 2451 Mar 2023 3700 Feb 2023 3632 Jan 2023 5664 Dec 2022 1245 I found that most of my searches are in my phone actually.

> Jan 2023 5664 That's 183 searches per day, assuming 8 hours of sleep that's 11.5 searches per hour, that's roughly a search every 5 minutes. That's a busy month :)

I was preparing for my defense :D

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Post by winrid »

furyofantares wrote: post #284

The other day I wanted to make a quick Venn diagram as a joke, and I was sure hundreds of people have made a simple tool for this and put it on the web. I did a search (on kagi) and all the top results wanted me to sign up or subscribe. The joke I wanted to make wasn't worth it for that. I was reminded of google in present times, loads of results that are almost what I'm looking for, but filled with frustration inste…

Where is the non commercial filter??

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Post by dotcoma »

somewhat_drunk wrote: post #109
throwaway2037 wrote: post #75

Kagi has successfully raised $670K in a SAFE note investment round, marking our first external fundraise to date. This was made possible with the participation of 42 accredited investors, most of whom are actual Kagi users. That is a dense paragraph. 1) What is a "SAFE note"? Google tells me: A "Simple Agreement for Future Equity" note is a way that startups can raise capital. The SAFE note is a legally binding agree…

SAFEs are common in equity crowdfunding. Raises on Republic are often SAFEs. I'm not a fan.

Why are you not a fan of SAFEs ? Thanks.

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Post by karaterobot »

philwelch wrote: post #313
karaterobot wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure they can, but until new information comes to light, I'm trusting that their business model makes it against their interests to do that.

I would be more inclined to trust them if they had a warrant canary. I can’t seem to find one.

Sounded like they claim to not store identifying information along with searches at all, which is the biggest privacy concern to me.

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Post by europeanNyan »

winrid wrote: post #317
furyofantares wrote: post #284

The other day I wanted to make a quick Venn diagram as a joke, and I was sure hundreds of people have made a simple tool for this and put it on the web. I did a search (on kagi) and all the top results wanted me to sign up or subscribe. The joke I wanted to make wasn't worth it for that. I was reminded of google in present times, loads of results that are almost what I'm looking for, but filled with frustration inste…

Where is the non commercial filter??

You can turn it on in Settings under Lenses.
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