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Post by LegitShady »

rvba wrote: post #32
iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

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I disagree with a lot of your post.

You’re correct that the Reddit IPO will likely lead to traditional finance holding the bag, much of which will be large funds.

Twitter was bought by musk, but your comments about his wants are fever dreams.

Twitch is losing the streaming wars to Youtube.

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Post by gregw134 »

Exuma wrote: post #114
iaw wrote: post #91

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I'll try to be quick and simple: - The US government sets a base interest rate it will pay if you buy bonds from them - Bonds are basically loans - People with money want that money to make money so they buy bonds and invest in stocks/companies - When bonds aren't giving any money rich people put more into companies - When bonds are giving money rich people shift money into bonds, less money for companies This is a g…

Ahh, thank you. That helps a lot. I suppose it's interesting that the return from companies is even remotely comparable to the return from bonds. That's probably a dumb realization but I don't know much about this stuff.

You can roughly calculate yield from a stock investment. If a stock has a P/E ratio of 20 (i.e. the value of all stocks issued is 20x its annual earnings), divide 72/20 to get a yield of 3.6%. If US government bonds offer 1% yield this stock looks like a deal, but when safer government bonds yield 4% this stock now looks unattractive.

Of course this is a gross oversimplification: earnings can grow, stocks can pay dividends, companies can go bankrupt, and companies have to pay their own bondholders as well as stockholders. But hopefully it shows that a tradeoff between stocks and bonds does exist.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

ZunarJ5 wrote: post #254
ihateolives wrote: post #231

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As it happens, another big server, Beehaw, just defederated lemmy.world today. So drama has already begun. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

Nothing new for the Fediverse. It'll stabilise.

This seems like it could be solved by shifting the federation to the client. Let me choose which servers to subscribe to, and let my client merge comment threads when the same story is posted to multiple servers. And let me choose a mod team to filter stories and comments for me.

If the fediverse is like email, then filtering should happen on the client. It's not like I expect gmail to "defederate" an email server that's used by people I don't like. I expect it to facilitate my emails with anyone else, regardless of which mail server they use. And I want gmail to do some spam filtering for me, but I expect that I can see the filtered messages and show the filter what it missed or wrongly labeled as spam.

If we leave the federation up to the servers, we'll just get a "fragmentverse" of walled gardens instead of a single big one.

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Post by bick_nyers »

dotnet00 wrote: post #138
bick_nyers wrote: post #68

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Yeah hair spray/glue stick and bed leveling lol. I bought an auto bed leveler and still can't get anything to stick/not curl up towards the nozzle. There are those hidden gems on Reddit though that aren't the typical response, replies that suggest that your plastic filament has absorbed too much moisture and that you need to dry it in an oven.

Yeah those issues can be really frustrating. I find textured PEI sheets to be the easiest to get working, if adhesion suddenly stops being good, I first try washing with soap and water, then I try adjusting the z-offset, then drying the filament and playing with bed temperatures, curling can happen in both cases of if the temperature is too low and too high. Additionally, with corners lifting on certain prints, you m…

Yeah the only thing I haven't really tried is swapping out the textured glass bed for something else but I think that's my next move

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Post by paulmd »

0x_rs wrote: post #136
iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

Discord also is in the process of asking 200 million users (monthly active as of 2023) to change their username, previous ones they will inevitably lose due to the uniqueness requirement, something nobody seems to have ever asked and might be unheard of on this scale. There's a few other examples of platforms going against their users too. It definitely seems to be an industry-wide movement, perhaps racing to be ahea…

discord is most likely well-aware of the criticism that it's an unsearchable black-hole and that people are nonetheless bashing it into being a docs/wiki system despite the poor product fit.

when your customers start doing weird shit with your product, they're telling you what they want the product to be, and as a result discord is pivoting towards being a forum or at least having the option for communities to have public wikis/forums associated with them.

this is probably only intensified now that reddit is teetering in the middle of their own pivot and leaving this opening for low-friction community building. like why not have a reddit replacement for the public content, built on top of the discord communities that already exist?

but, reddit with non-unique usernames would kinda suck, wouldn't it? to make a global public forum work, you have to require that they're unique and migrate the existing usernames to the new schema somehow.

You don't have to use the new username, discord's legacy functionality isn't forcing you, but if you don't you probably won't get access to disreddit features when it launches, because replying to paulmd#0069 on a reddit-clone would be an awful experience.

but the reason the username change is happening "even though nobody asked for it" is very simple. nobody is asking for username changes, but lots of people are asking for discord to step into the gap that reddit is leaving, and provide more powerful public-facing tooling for non-ephemeral content that's searchable and discoverable. And unique usernames are kind of a mandatory part of that model.

I haven't really used Lemmy/Mastodon much but it seems like an inherent disadvantage of that model too. weedgoku69@mastodon.social is not the same user as weedgoku69@masty.me and people will have to get used to the idea of looking at the whole username rather than reddit's unique usernames.

It's also going to be tough when there's not a 1:1 correspondence between "subreddits" and the discords underneath them. I guess your discord.gg URL is now your canonical subreddit URL... hope you boosted your server and squatted that custom invite URL a couple years ago, because it's your "domain name" now!

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Post by ddingus »

quaintdev wrote: post #278
ddingus wrote: post #259

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Quora got whooped! I shudder at how fast and intense the change was.

And now I cant see a single answer behind its login dialog. That's how platform dies.

Yup. I loved Quora. Was a Top Writer every year.

I look at my fun Quora keepsakes and sigh... brutal.

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Post by brainfish »

danudey wrote: post #98
rblatz wrote: post #29

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Also most people don’t really care about the API/3rd party app thing. It doesn’t impact them and it looks from the outside like a bunch of dorks with no lives getting worked up over nothing. I’ve been on Reddit since the digg migration and I’ve never felt the need for an app, old.reddit.com and Adblock works perfectly fine on the phone. Better than Reddit’s mobile site.

It doesn't affect them directly , but the moderation tools a lot of subreddits need are built into third-party apps because Reddit refuses to build mod tools itself, and when those stop working then the job of moderating large and active subreddits will become vastly more cumbersome and frustrating, and far less efficient. Maybe this issue only affects 0.1% of users, but those 0.1% of users do a lot for the site that…

This comment contains one of the most-repeated pieces of misinformation from the whole blackout: moderation tools. Reddit has stated repeatedly that moderation tools will be exempted from the API changes.

"We will ensure existing utilities, especially moderation tools, have free access to our API."[1]

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/141oqn8/api_update...

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Post by hinkley »

jurassicfoxy wrote: post #69
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

Yes, I just saw the r/StarTrek migration, and visited Lemmy for the 3rd time or so this week, and quite frankly, I could drop reddit entirely now, if I knew how to find communities. I feel some real hacker/dev excitement for the future of Lemmy.

When feed readers worked for me, which was all the way back when Slashdot was in its early phase of decline, I would keep tabs on the domain named for the threads I got engaged in, and if I saw a pattern I’d go look for an RSS link, and then sometimes I got to be the one to post the interesting article.

I’m hoping Lemmy has a cross posting function that will serve a similar use case. You start in a woodworking forum here and someone reveals the DIWhy forum to you organically. After six to twelve months you have your hands full.

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Post by ls612 »

thunderbird120 wrote: post #134
iameli wrote: post #19

The biggest Reddit communities are in open rebellion. Twitter is, charitably, a mess. Twitch started taking a full 50% of the revenue of their top creators, who are furious. What's going on? What's the bigger trend that's causing all these platforms to go so user-hostile?

People are starting to come to terms with the new reality where tech companies actually need to have a viable business model which takes in more money than it expends. The return of nonzero interest rates means that the runway is no longer infinite, you can't just raise more money to cover costs forever, eventually you have to either take off or crash. This is revealing just how much of a nonsensical anomaly most of…

The other major issue is that the ability to start a major reddit competitor has been regulated out of existence. Same with any other large platform. The EU especially (although the US has also done this to a lesser extent) has created regulations and laws which are near-impossible technically to fulfill, so anyone operating a new website is in violation of them if you look hard enough. And believe me for a new social media app with linking news/politics/etc stories as a major feature everyone in power will be incentivized to look as hard as possible.
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