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Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by dmvdoug »

mouse_ wrote: post #58
crazygringo wrote: post #4

This is just bananas to me that a browser would perform "super resolution" at all, much less by default . Couldn't this wreak havoc on doing things like viewing medical images, inserting false detail that isn't there? As well as on text in images, e.g. inventing a cleanly readable but hallucinated license plate number on a car, or financial figure, where the original is blurry? Not only does this seem like a terribly…

Yes, and there is legal precedent. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/11/rittenhouse-tria...

It’s hilarious that the prosecutor’s name there was Binger.

MICROSOFT!

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by zeruch »

donmcronald wrote: post #53
crazygringo wrote: post #4

This is just bananas to me that a browser would perform "super resolution" at all, much less by default . Couldn't this wreak havoc on doing things like viewing medical images, inserting false detail that isn't there? As well as on text in images, e.g. inventing a cleanly readable but hallucinated license plate number on a car, or financial figure, where the original is blurry? Not only does this seem like a terribly…

It’s crazy. I used Edge when it first switched to Chromium because it was a nice, clean Chrome alternative with working sync. Today it’s obvious Microsoft can’t be trusted. This “feature” is insane and it makes me concerned about what Windows might be doing in the background.

"Microsoft can’t be trusted."

Never could be.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by dmvdoug »

basq wrote: post #159
johnnykree wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is my favorite browser. Not because I like it more than other browsers. But I think it is very important that there is not just a single browser engine on the market. Chromium has too much market share. And although it is open source google dictated what features get in. We shouldn’t trust one company with that much power.

I've been using FF more lately because it has a functioning ad block. Mobile web has become borderline unusable with the amount of ads that get shoved in your face. It's not enough to take up 90% of the screen, it has to pop up autoplay videos with audio over that last 10%.

Preach. Using my iPhone, I clicked on an HN link to Tom’s Hardware earlier today. Readable text occupied less than 1/4 of the screen. Everything else was taken by various banners, modals, etc. I tried to scroll down a little. It jumped back to the top of the page every time I tried, then started reloading itself. So, in sum, I read one(ish?) paragraph of a post before giving up.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by javajosh »

hot_gril wrote: post #67

I installed Windows 10 (not even 11!) recently on a random laptop and was appalled by the amount of BS in the initial setup process. Forced me to make a Microsoft online account seemingly with remote access to my PC, tried to sign me up for several different free trials, then tried multiple times to push me to Edge instead of Chrome. The UI has new crap like the Bing search on the taskbar and in the center of the des…

> I'd probably pick Linux on my primary PC nowadays if I didn't already have a Mac.

Just do it! I bought a Framework laptop and, because I forgot to buy an OS with it, decided "what the hell" and installed Ubuntu. I figured I could always install something else if it didn't work out. And it's actually been pretty good! In some ways better, in some ways worse than macOS (my main OS) and Windows (my gaming pc OS). It is actually quite nice to run the same OS as my server(s) on my laptop - it means I can use the same knowledge in two places.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by adhvaryu »

leokennis wrote: post #26
crazygringo wrote: post #4

This is just bananas to me that a browser would perform "super resolution" at all, much less by default . Couldn't this wreak havoc on doing things like viewing medical images, inserting false detail that isn't there? As well as on text in images, e.g. inventing a cleanly readable but hallucinated license plate number on a car, or financial figure, where the original is blurry? Not only does this seem like a terribly…

Reminds me of the issue where Xerox machines would replace some 9’s on your scanned documents with 0’s due to over enthusiastic compression. https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres...

Wow, I can't believe they shipped the product knowing this could happen and thought that putting 2 warnings in the software guidebook (who reads that?) would suffice. Maybe they only added that in to avoid getting sued.

Also, reading the timeline was great.

> March 2015 The German Federal Office for Safety in Information Technology bans JBIG2 from being used for archival purposes.

Wonder if any other governments took notice as well.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by intelVISA »

kube-system wrote: post #295
f1shy wrote: post #117

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Waaaaait! In the US also the FAX is still a thing?! Seriously?! I have heard terrible stories from Germany and Japan, but did not know that also the US…

The US has a zillion healthcare providers. Some are so huge and well resourced that they literally have $100 million+ digital record systems. Some are so tiny that it's one doctor operating out of an old house with pen and paper. A fax machine is the least common denominator.

That fax is probably much more secure than the $100m system too...

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by version_five »

nottorp wrote: post #164
donmcronald wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s crazy. I used Edge when it first switched to Chromium because it was a nice, clean Chrome alternative with working sync. Today it’s obvious Microsoft can’t be trusted. This “feature” is insane and it makes me concerned about what Windows might be doing in the background.

> Today it’s obvious Microsoft can’t be trusted. You weren't around when they were threatening linux with patents and forcing OEMs to not deliver PCs without a Microsoft operating system preinstalled then?

I use Microsoft products for business (though I'm trying to phase them out). I don't care that much about their competitive practices (from a business perspective) and there's even the upside of a pretty uniform productivity software/ file format ecosystem that makes communication easier.

Committing corporate espionage, which is what their software does now, on the other hand, makes me not want to use them at all. I have agreements with customers about protecting their data, how can I use software that steals everything I put into it and sends it to MS? This is a much bigger deal. (Although I agree you could argue their earlier anticompetitive practices gave them the monopoly that allows them to run their current criminal spying empire unchecked)

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by doodlesdev »

jacooper wrote: post #307
spirit557 wrote: post #258

Microsoft Edge is insane. The amount of privacy invasion it has by default, the constant nagging to re-enable and undo all your changes to the defaults, and maze of settings you have to disable is just crazy. Is there anything it doesn't phone home? Every image, everything you type, history, absolutely everything. I was interested in it initially but I 100% avoid this browser now. I feel like it takes 20-30 minutes t…

I mean is it worse than chrome?

Yes.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by jwitthuhn »

mikae1 wrote: post #124
hospitalJail wrote: post #114

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>Mojang The real danger. (almost unironically though) I can switch OS, Office is almost obsolete with google + free stuff, their browser/software is terrible and never used, Github(yikes, well, git works..), LinkedIn(and nothing of value was lost). So we really are at the whim of M$ when it comes to Github and Minecraft. Scary. But hey, I used to be obsessed with Nintendo games, and now people have Zelda clones so I…

Could you name some Zelda clones?

Not terribly recent, but Darksiders from 2010 is pretty good. Haven't seen anything else really comparable.
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