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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by raxxorraxor »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #310
raxxorraxor wrote: post #302

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That is not really good advice. There are frequent mobs that believe others to be assholes. For that matter, I believe you almost always qualify for that if you form that strong opinions about someone from internet comments because that directly reflects on your narrow perspective and you willingness to act on insufficient information. If I think AITA subs and similar communities really aren't very tolerant people at…

It’s almost as if I said > in different circles with different people, like GP indicates happens But you just chose to ignore it and soldier on with your rambling diatribe. If people in completely different subs like StarTrek and CanadaCoronavirus and god knows how many others all say someone is an asshole, then the person is just a fucking asshole. That’s all there is to it. It’s not some big conspiracy caused by “m…

Oh, that was always you. Didn't notice. You seem to be quite angry about it.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by unsupp0rted »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #292
unsupp0rted wrote: post #263

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I wasn't asking questions. I was making a categorical statement of objective reality: at the time it was physically impossible to know how many doses of the vaccine, on what schedule, would achieve the best balance of effectiveness vs. safety. This was the content of my comment, which got me banned from /r/CanadaCoronavirus.

You asked if you were being toxic. I answered yes. As someone who has built communities online and in the real world, you are someone that, at best, needs careful management. I wouldn’t willingly include you in a team or community. I’ve done life or death stuff with the teams I built, I’m pretty good at this. From reading through here plenty of other people think similarly. You are more willing to argue than you are…

What is your definition of toxic here?

Someone who has a strong opinion and defends it?

Someone whose basis for their strong opinion you’ve deemed woefully insufficient?

Someone who doesn’t change their strong opinion when presented with a dozen comments against it and a similar number for it?

That HN commenters are divided on my opinion isn’t toxic: it demonstrates it’s an issue with Reddit that’s affected half of those who’ve spoken up and it’s left us annoyed, shamed, or slighted. That we’re discussing it here demonstrates it’s a Reddit-specific problem.

If my behavior is problematic, then why is it only problematic on Reddit? On HN, apart from this thread, when someone disagrees with me they don’t reach for any -ist or -ic words (“toxic”, “problematic”) to describe me: they disagree with the comment on its own merits.

What does “problematic” even mean, other than that it’s bad and I should feel bad?

Calling someone toxic, problematic, racist, homophobic, etc allows for no defense because they can’t prove evidence of absence. “I’m not problematically toxic and here’s the proof…??”.

Lucky we are not building medical devices here. I’m not interviewing to be on your team in a work environment.

Instead this is an example of the kind of topic that is interesting to discuss casually on HN with other hackers.

The benefit of HN, unlike Reddit, is that disagreeing with someone doesn’t also turn them into a cartoon villain who must be vanquished. People here are allowed to be wrong without also being -ists, -ics, or assholes.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by unsupp0rted »

nailer wrote: post #284
mynameisvlad wrote: post #233

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If one person calls you an asshole, then they might be an asshole. If everyone calls you an asshole, then some inward reflection is in order because you're likely coming off as an asshole. If it happens again and again, in different circles with different people, like GP indicates happens, then maybe, just maybe it's not everyone else that's the problem.

I feel the implication is it only happens on Reddit so therefore it’s Reddit that is out of touch.

Exactly. I’m not being called “an asshole”, even on Reddit: I’m being called racist, transphobic, homophobic, etc

And only on Reddit.

In real life, and in other online communities (e.g. I’m a member of a “DINK” Facebook group for people without kids), I haven’t had this problem.

I haven’t gotten into flame wars with ad-hominems in recent memory either.

People are a lot less eager to play the “you’re vaguely problematic” card outside Reddit.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nunobrito »

stavros wrote: post #211
nunobrito wrote: post #77

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Yeah. Not really my fault there.

The word "libraries" is not even mentioned in the code. Python is only mentioned to detail a bug that caused a memory leak, I don't know how you generalized this to "Python is to blame for Digg's demise" but that's not anyone else's fault.

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by stavros »

nunobrito wrote: post #314
stavros wrote: post #211

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The word "libraries" is not even mentioned in the code. Python is only mentioned to detail a bug that caused a memory leak, I don't know how you generalized this to "Python is to blame for Digg's demise" but that's not anyone else's fault.

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That's a very long way to say "I don't want to admit I was wrong".

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nunobrito »

jtms wrote: post #190
nunobrito wrote: post #16

Albeit unpopular opinion, this kind of things is one of the reasons why I'll always push for Java instead of a jigsaw of different languages that sound cool. Stability, scalability and simplicity. Yes, you read correctly. Whomever complains that Java is bloated or complex, needs only to look on who is writing that "piece" of code. Expert developers will write proper code that anyone can maintain and keep simple. Too…

I think its probably fair to say that we as individual developers are always going to push for the thing we are most familiar and comfortable with. Almost nothing is "complicated" or "bloated" if you are really productive with it and know all the pain points to avoid. My experience with Java is that the language is great, but the ecosystem and tooling is where the bloat and complexity comes in. If I were really accus…

Yeah, just run away from Spring or JBoss. I'd probably jump to something else too if forced to wait 3 minutes for something to even compile.

Kind of difficult as you will always see those kids trying all kinds of magic with a language instead of razor sharp focus on the problem itself to be solved.

Anyways, I guess everyone passes through those phases of growth. Also unreasonable to remain like a dinosaur refusing to learn what else new is coming up.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

jboy55 wrote: post #183
dghlsakjg wrote: post #165

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Yes. Your initial comment here was unsupported by real world examples, and used a lot of rage-bait buzzwords. When asked to put up a concrete example, no-one called you a fascist/nazi/transphobe in the example. They banned you for, according to you, "just asking questions" on a country specific coronavirus subreddit. Your tone comes off as "I'm right, they're wrong. I'm the victim here!"

"Just asking questions" is the biggest red flag of ill intent, its not doubt I would ban someone for resorting to that. Especially if we look at the facts given in the comment. " saying at the time we didn't yet know how many doses and on what schedule of the vaccine would be needed." "I messaged the mods to explain that I was triple-vaxxed " So we can infer from this post that this happened sometime after Aug 2021.…

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nailer »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #307
nailer wrote: post #299

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I think we both know that Reddit has a certain political viewpoint, so let’s not pretend that we don’t. The meme certainly applies, but not in the way you think it does. If it’s only Reddit that finds many people’s behaviour objectionable Occam’s Razor would determine that Reddit is the problem.

> I think we both know that Reddit has a certain political viewpoint, so let’s not pretend that we don’t. Bullshit. Reddit is made up of millions of people with different viewpoints. There are subreddits that are left leaning, centrist, right leaning, and everything in between. And many, many more which have no political viewpoint because they literally have nothing to do with politics. To claim an entire user base h…

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by josefx »

btreecat wrote: post #120
unsupp0rted wrote: post #97

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I got banned from /r/CanadaCoronavirus for saying at the time we didn't yet know how many doses and on what schedule of the vaccine would be needed. Banned. That's anti-vaxx propaganda on my part, evidently. I messaged the mods to explain that I was triple-vaxxed and what I said was not only factually correct, it wasn't even controversial. The mods patiently replied that anti-vaxx trolls like me will be reported to r…

That doesn't sound like the full story.

Got praised on one sub for reporting a bot and banned from another for it (throwing around baseless accusations!!).

Some mods have a hair trigger on that ban hammer.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

nailer wrote: post #318
mynameisvlad wrote: post #307

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> I think we both know that Reddit has a certain political viewpoint, so let’s not pretend that we don’t. Bullshit. Reddit is made up of millions of people with different viewpoints. There are subreddits that are left leaning, centrist, right leaning, and everything in between. And many, many more which have no political viewpoint because they literally have nothing to do with politics. To claim an entire user base h…

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At least you made it clear you don’t read comments before responding to them.

Next time, don’t bother replying at all and save everyone the minute.

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