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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by dangus »

What remains to be seen is whether this is the greatest product in a product category with mainstream appeal, or whether this is the greatest product in a niche category that many people feel no need to be a part of.

Most of Apple’s other successful products are part of the former. Music players were a proven market. Headphones were a proven market. Cell phones were a proven market. Watches, fitness trackers, and jewelry were a proven market.

VR and AR are really not that. That market has sold an impressive amount of units mostly on the back of a cheap $300 device that its owners consider to be a toy, but the volume is nothing compared to all the other devices I mentioned.

This could very easily be the next HomePod (1st generation): an over-engineered niche product with a price that is too high to be palatable.

One thing is certain: people are getting fired over at Meta.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by HKH2 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #291
JohnAaronNelson wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The killer app will be porn and/or virtually undressing the people around you.

With $3500 you can go on an epic drug fueled sex party with high quality real live escorts that will make your mates jealous and will be an experience you remember for life. Spending $3500 just to wank at VR videos is crazy.

At some point the signals going to your brain won't be too different. VR + AI experiences have way more potential, and will greatly accelerate the trend of people mapping out their limbic systems.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by ohgodplsno »

akmarinov wrote: post #123
frant-hartm wrote: post #101

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They advertise the "4K per eye" as some kind of an advantage. They need to do this to have 3D vision, but it doesn't improve the resolution, it's still just 4K. And the 4K is across your whole FOV, I would like to see a comparison with some standard monitors (4K at 27" and 32") at particular distances from your eyes. I suppose because they didn't publish anything it is still significantly worse than hi-res monitors (…

For comparison the top of the line PSVR2 does 2K per eye, hooked up to basically a PC made for gaming

The PSVR2 also does foveated rendering, which the Vision Pro does not seem to do, which is about the biggest disappointment about this. I don't care about millions of pixels in the corner of my eye eating up my battery life when I can't even see them.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by heartbreak »

PostOnce wrote: post #142
ChildOfChaos wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think 'killer app' is missing the point. Looking for a killer app you are looking at this to be a traditional VR or even AR device, that is not what this is. This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one, hence the name Vision Pro, that is how Apple are trying to sell it. If you watched the keynote I think that was clear, everyone else seems…

But that's silly, it can do all that and also have a killer app. I can already do all that traditional stuff on a macbook or ipad, and "have a screen anywhere", and those things are more portable because I can just sit it on the table instead of having to untangle A CABLE from my clothing and then find somewhere to place a headset that doesnt sit flat like an ipad or macbook. Then there's the fact that ipads and macb…

What’s the killer app for Apple Watch?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by willis936 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #304
saiya-jin wrote: post #285

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Did you miss the tiny little part of having no controllers? If you want to play some trivial games via tapping with fingers around for sure, but nothing sophisticated can be done. Whole UI is done for browsing and mimicking big screen and reading text. Unless you mean holding mouse and keyboard, while sitting behind desk. For 1/5th of the price you can just buy big gaming curved screen which has many many technologie…

I want to use an actual playstation controller or something, those things actually work and you don't have to wave your arms around.

They already have you covered then. You'll be getting a comparable or marginally worse setup than couch gaming. It brings none of the benefits of the medium. There is no reason to use VR to game in this way. Perhaps you and some others want to do it, but it has no additional value prop to most people and is not what people mean when they say "VR gaming".

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #130
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I think 'killer app' is missing the point. Looking for a killer app you are looking at this to be a traditional VR or even AR device, that is not what this is. This is about having a screen anywhere, multiple screens and turning anything into a screen and any environment into one, hence the name Vision Pro, that is how Apple are trying to sell it. If you watched the keynote I think that was clear, everyone else seems…

I don’t think it’s about having a screen everywhere though: I would be uncomfortable going out in public with it, for fear of being mugged for it.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

signatoremo wrote: post #305
saiya-jin wrote: post #289

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No, its because most people hate the idea of being around other people who so blatantly disconnect from everybody and look like idiots, or being actually those people. Its the exact opposite of 'cool' - its desperate, rude, pathetic. Those are not my words, I wouldn't mind wearing it in private (for open spaces with other people including my family definitely above is valid), its from my wife who is a doctor. And she…

Do you see how prevalent people glue to their phone in public, or how earphones are everywhere. They were once frown upon. Now it’s social norm except for in person gatherings. Same will happen here. A dentist friend of mine is so excited with the ability of using it for his work. He doesn’t want to look up to the X-ray screen, or has his assistant read out loud for him the number associated with the patient’s scanni…

There was never nearly the kind of hatred towards looking at your phone as there will be towards strapping a TV to your head. You have the occasional person complaining that people aren't connecting, which is no different from newspapers in the 20th century.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by oflannabhra »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #313
akmarinov wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For comparison the top of the line PSVR2 does 2K per eye, hooked up to basically a PC made for gaming

The PSVR2 also does foveated rendering, which the Vision Pro does not seem to do, which is about the biggest disappointment about this. I don't care about millions of pixels in the corner of my eye eating up my battery life when I can't even see them.

Vision Pro does foveated rendering, it was called out as an underlying feature of the platform

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by lijok »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

This is what's concerning. A team that just spent years creating revolutionary hardware that is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition, who by far have the most context to come up with a killer app, could not come up with one. The best they could offer is reading articles in safari an enhancing the viewing experience of movies/shows/live sports.

They should be bursting at the seams with out of this world ideas that this amazing hardware could support. And yet, nothing.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by tantalor »

heartbreak wrote: post #314
PostOnce wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's silly, it can do all that and also have a killer app. I can already do all that traditional stuff on a macbook or ipad, and "have a screen anywhere", and those things are more portable because I can just sit it on the table instead of having to untangle A CABLE from my clothing and then find somewhere to place a headset that doesnt sit flat like an ipad or macbook. Then there's the fact that ipads and macb…

What’s the killer app for Apple Watch?

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