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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by pas »

tmtvl wrote: post #223
dmonitor wrote: post #67

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Yes. Join none of them.

Oh come now, surely there must be one good... well, one decent... one not entirely terrible one out there, right?

It doesn't seems hard to create a good one. Just post Akira pictures and Tetsuo memes, and that's it. What else would anyone ever want from an anime Discord? Okay, okay, a few threads about the NGE remakes/rebuilds from time to time. But no mention of Netflix disaster shenanigans, only Edgerunners. Well, okay, whatever the new GitS SAC thing was it was pretty good, so sometimes that too.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by pas »

stoniejohnson wrote: post #227
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #220

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That race is a reasonable suspicion until barring further explanation/transparency. And additionally the “to be clear” refrain.

It might not be reasonable, but it is likely.

hm, to me the opposite seems more likely. Rust community/leadership/confs/organizers seem very far from racism. some idiotic internal petty/interpersonal conflict seems much more likely IMHO.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by adamrezich »

stoniejohnson wrote: post #299
adamrezich wrote: post #248

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why? upon what basis could you possibly make this claim?

Humans engage in tribalism and racism regularly. Thus someone might assume something of that sort is at play here, though it might be an unreasonable assumption for reasons x, y, and z.

shameful

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by yencabulator »

biomcgary wrote: post #158
caust1c wrote: post #99

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Golang has lots of good examples of design discussions without vitriol in their RFCs and proposals. There is the occasional bikeshedding and needless bickering granted, but it mostly stays civil and is the most mature language community I've ever had the pleasure of being a part of.

I think there might be a connection between Go's pragmatism and the culture fostered around it and Rust's correctness and its culture. On the other hand, it could be that Google owning Go makes the bigger difference. I know that Ian Lance Taylor created several versions of generics that got shot down, which must have been frustrating. However, I don't remember hearing the slightest bit of internal conflict from the c…

> I know that Ian Lance Taylor created several versions of generics that got shot down, which must have been frustrating.

I always felt like he wrote down those non-final designs more as an effort to discover & document why exactly each one wasn't good enough, so they might guide the future design(s). I think he was well aware of the various flaws and unwanted trade-offs, and wanted them to serve as a guide to the conversation.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by meindnoch »

pas wrote: post #309
meindnoch wrote: post #294

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Sorry, I can't talk seriously about a cartoon as if it was a real being :D If the creator wants to stay anonymous (for which the cat is out of the bag in this case, I'm afraid) we may refer to him as "the guy behind the cartoon", but I can't pretend that the cartoon is the real person... That's just stupid... Like, let's say you're playing Dungeons & Dragons with your friend over the weekend, where you're an elven wa…

the important thing is that it might not be a 'guy'. it would not be surprising that whoever is running the stream has serious internal gender identity conflicts/issues. I have a friend who is going through this. also, ironically, Starbucks makes it a point to ask for your name, or however you want to be called. you can tell them to call you Dark Moon or whatever. and workplace inclusion protips are also exactly abou…

Respecting a person's choice of gender is not the same as respecting their insistence of "identifying" with a non-existent virtual animale waifu character. One is a person born into the weong body, the other is a bunch of pixels. One is in reality, the other is not...

It's concerning that this needs to be spelled out.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by meindnoch »

pas wrote: post #307
meindnoch wrote: post #137

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It can also be pretty off-putting for women to be honest. When someone's avatar is an AI-generated "waifu" picture with deep cleavage, I don't think it looks welcoming for the average female programmer...

are you talking about Asahi Lina?

No.

She's more of a "loli" character as far as I can tell. (Which can also be disturbing, but for different reasons.)

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by wtetzner »

mort96 wrote: post #256
pie_flavor wrote: post #242

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'I know nothing about the situation, but this comment about it seems disingenuous' is not a great reasoning strategy. It's not well-resourced, it's not thoughtfully governed, and it wasn't a stewardship issue. It was people believing YouTube disinformation about what a trademark is for and what it implies, and forking the project just so that the name and logo could be changed to one sans trademark.

As I said in https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mort96#36107457 , I interpreted the statement to be about forks in general, and responded to it as such; and I realize now that I probably misinterpreted the line. I don't know what to do, I wish that comment had more visibility but it's not highly upvoted and I can't amend my original comment. FWIW, the trademark policy was incredibly clear in that it wanted to di…

What happened with the trademark stuff? Has it been resolved? I can only seem to find info about the controversy, and not anything about what happened after.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by jhatemyjob »

makapuf wrote: post #141
jhatemyjob wrote: post #62

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Yes of course C++ isn't any better. C is a weird one since it's the "original language", the base layer of abstraction so-to-speak so C89 is going to be the standard forever. The standards committee around that one has zero power (as far as I can tell). What I'm comparing Rust/Swift/Go to are languages like MoonScript/Objective-C/Lua, where there is a single BDFL (Leafo/Steve Jobs/Roberto). I feel like for programmin…

Thats funny, because that same person we are talking about battled the C standard committee (with bureaucracy, not specific people) into accepting #embed : https://thephd.dev/finally-embed-in-c23

Wow nice post. Interesting lens into standards committee politics.

Also in my original comment I meant C99, not C89. Everything after C99 is kind of irrelevant. That's what makes C so cool. It's frozen in time, essentially. Can't be corrupted.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by unaindz »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #209
andrewflnr wrote: post #191

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Forking is a huge resource sink, if it goes anywhere at all. It disrupts network effects that software benefits from. It is, if nothing else, leaving a local maximum of utility for everyone. In short, it's inconvenient, if not actually painful and heralds future inconvenience/pain. Anger may not be wise, depending on the specifics, but it should absolutely not be surprising.

Forking might be seen as a form of protest against the current leadership or their failure to address the needs and concerns of the community. If the community does not agree with the leadership's actions (or failure to act) then a fork might be a possible road ahead. Compare: OpenOffice - LibreOffice Jenkins - Hudson MySQL - MariaDB and many others.

Openwrt - LEDE, which got merged again into openwrt
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