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Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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Yeah, the state of affairs with Google is better than any other mainstream vendor. It seems lame that you have to phone home to unlock a new device, but it's nothing compared to what they could be doing.

If Sony counts as mainstream vendor, the bootloader is unlockable and they even provide instructions on how to build and flash your own Android! https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices

> To unlock your device you need an unlock code

This appears strictly worse than Google.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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Yep, my Pixel 2 is as good as dead because the bootloader can't be unlocked, Google refuses to do anything about it, and software updates stopped a long time ago. Great way to lose me as a customer.

Just upgraded from a, I think, 6 year old Pixel 2 to a carrier discounted Pixel 7. Being in Germany, I am fairly certain tue bootloader is unlocked (-able), I might try it during the weekend. Reason forbthe switch was that a) even CalyxOS stopped supporting it b) the phone lost the mobile network evervso often c) the screen was held together by clue and proteczive glass. Otherwise, it isbstill working and will stay a…

I'd be interested to hear about your experience. My contact info is in my bio if you're up for it. I do really like the Pixel line, and I'd be excited to upgrade if I were sure the new device could be successfully unlocked.

May I recommend LineageOS, which supports Pixel 7 [0] and the Pro version. Whatever you go with, yes I do think you can flash stock Android back on your phone if you like.

[0] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/panther/

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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One issue for this process that I have seen when talking about the Pixel is: - ***You can't actually back up your Pixel*** It's enormously frustrating, because this is the typical advice before moving to a different OS. But apparently, actually mounting the device or seeing it via `lsblk` is from what I can tell impossible. I tried for a while to simply make a direct image with `dd` to try out other OSes etc but I co…

Yep. It was fun while it lasted, but I expect none of the manufacturers will support hacking or mods on these devices in the future because there's too few people doing that compared to the masses they want to sell to, and they have zero time or money to train technical support staff. They want to sell you an appliance that can't be repaired, has planned obsolescence and locks you into the platform by (effectively) k…

Well, this isn't necessarily about hacking - it's about backing up a phone too. Google doesn't allow backing up a phone in any reasonable way.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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post #133

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One issue for this process that I have seen when talking about the Pixel is: - ***You can't actually back up your Pixel*** It's enormously frustrating, because this is the typical advice before moving to a different OS. But apparently, actually mounting the device or seeing it via `lsblk` is from what I can tell impossible. I tried for a while to simply make a direct image with `dd` to try out other OSes etc but I co…

If you actually care about FLOSS on your phone, you might be interested in trying a GNU/Linux phone (Librem 5 or Pinephone). Those have no restrictions on mounting or alternative operating systems.

Yeah, those are excellent choices when purchasing, but when you already have something and are trying to use it - you should be able to.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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Xiaomi does the same (or at least did until my latest phone change i.e. around 3 years ago). You must unlock the bootloader before being able to install a custom recovery image such as TWRP, which itself is used to install custom ROMs. This unlock involves: creating a user account in the Xiaomi services website, logging into that account from your phone's system, then having the phone logged in for at least 7 days ,…

The rationale for the hoops and waiting period is IIRC that shady sellers were tampering with phones sold through AliExpress etc.

So imagine a scenario:

1. crime organization (or governmental org) buys / steals a bunch of phones

2. org opens boxes, tampers with boot loader in such a way that they (and / or the original OEM and / or the original OS vendor) have a persistent remote administration account on phone

3. org then returns phones to supply chain either covertly or off the back of a truck.

4. org leverages remote access to do shady things

5. "the press" finds out that "vendor phones XYZ are trojaned!" and vendor looks like t-mobile for 5-30 hours until people find another cat video to look at.

A theoretical justification of this is that phones are stolen all the time from the supply chain. Making lots require remote activation allows the vendor to kill the stolen phones, reducing their resale market in that part of the stolen phone ecosystem. Another theoretical justification is to "protect" the average buyer who just wants a damned phone to look at cat videos on and maybe call their spouse when they're late; they don't wear boots and don't care about loaders. Just Want Cat Videos.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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> connect the device to the Internet before they are allowed to install the operating system they want Phoning home before undertaking such an activity takes away the ownership rights from the customers. They do not actually own these devices even after they have purchased them. The reason is that an important part of their ownership rights, i.e. the freedom to use the software of their choice, has been withheld from…

Xiaomi does the same (or at least did until my latest phone change i.e. around 3 years ago). You must unlock the bootloader before being able to install a custom recovery image such as TWRP, which itself is used to install custom ROMs. This unlock involves: creating a user account in the Xiaomi services website, logging into that account from your phone's system, then having the phone logged in for at least 7 days ,…

If laws let companies do this, they will. Eventually unlocking your phone will look like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test. At 30 days, it has already passed the level of cancelling your subscription to The Economist and reached the obfuscation level of cancelling the average gym membership.

They'll just keep testing the limits until their analytics tell them that only 23 people made it through the process in the last year, then they'll shut it down for lack of use. Legally obligated, they'll replace the process with a promise that if you mail a newly purchased device to the company, they'll send you an unlocked version within about 3 months. Then, a year later, mail to that P.O. Box starts getting returned, and customer service claims that they're not aware of any mail-in program. The representative claims, honestly, that "we don't sell unlocked phones." You get escalated to a supervisor, and insist that they're legally required to unlock your phone. The supervisor apologizes to you, promises to get to the bottom of the training oversight that led to the escalation, and insists that you mail the device directly to his office and he will take care of you personally.

Only three people made it to the supervisor last year. Two of them never ended up sending in their phones, and for the one that did, the company accidentally sent another locked phone back and the customer failed to follow up.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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If Sony counts as mainstream vendor, the bootloader is unlockable and they even provide instructions on how to build and flash your own Android! https://developer.sony.com/develop/open-devices

> To unlock your device you need an unlock code This appears strictly worse than Google.

It's precisely the same as with Google, just that Google does it directly via an API call and Sony does it with you manually typing the code.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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> I love the idea of being able to unlock the bootloader. > I don't love the idea of someone else being able to do it before the phone gets to me. At the time it was their phone, and they can still do it by waiting 30 days. But what does it matter if you're just going to flash your own system anyway? Let them put whatever they want on it as long as you can blow it away and replace it with yours. And if you're not goi…

the preexisting firmware installs the bootloader, unless you mount the memory chips directly to your pc.

Got any info on how that is done? Curious minds wish to know.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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I liked my Samsung phones but after the a couple of them went end of life despite being very usable I am never buying one of their devices again and sticking with Pixel. There should be an Android code of ethics or regulation to unlock bootloaders of these devices when discontinued to minimize eWaste.

Why on earth would Google institute a policy that runs completely contrary to the cell phone industry's business model, making their devices as useless as possible as fast as possible? It always cracked me up that Apple gets bashed for planned obsolescence when they support their phones longer than anyone else in the industry.

Apple gets bashed for using hard-to-repair designs and creating unnecessary e-waste and rightly so.

Re: Pixel phones are sold with bootloader unlocking disabled

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> I bought a Pixel 7 Pro from store.google.com (Canada) ... being sold “unlocked” by Google Carrier-locking is not permitted in Canada, so all the discussions about where the phone was bought and that the full price was paid are immaterial.

Is that correct? Phones purchased via carrier are locked to the carrier. The customer has the right to unlock it after the purchase, but the default state of the phone is locked, is it not?
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