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Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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No there are definitely bad products.

Nevermind that we're talking about real estate, which is certainly a useful product. Name something that can't be used at all by anyone for any purpose.

Are you saying that a product is only bad if it has literally no possible use to anyone?

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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> Altman also spoke about the future of AI. According to Altman, AI needs to be treated with “extreme seriousness” as the tech might have “existential risk” attached to it. I really, really wish that OpenAI would start behaving as if they believed this.

They have a philosophy which may be wrong but is not entirely incoherent (expose risk as capacity becomes available, so we aren't caught off-guard by high-capacity risks we can't recover from). And let's be honest, GPT-4 is vastly better aligned than any of the other LLMs. Not a super high bar, but it's a bar.

> GPT-4 is vastly better aligned than any of the other LLMs.

If I'm being completely honest, I can't judge that at all, because it's far from clear to me what, specifically, people mean by "alignment" when they use that term. And I'm pretty sure that different people are meaning different things.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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That would assume timezone, language, legal, cultural, governmental, and infrastructural differences don't exist between countries. Outsourcing outside your country of incorporation is a completely different challenge compared to remote work within your country of incorporation.

as someone who has personally hired and worked with for several years teams overseas (e.g. an individual in Spain or a team in Eastern Europe), I'm not really seeing that challenge. If our small startup managed to pull it off, then those logistical problems are not quite as bad as they may seem.

You direct hired or hired as contractors? Your HR platform handled global benefits and payroll with little to no added effort or expense? There were no additional legal regulations or compliance issues you had to consider?

I could see a nimble startup pivoting in a way that can make it work. I can also a see large businesses investing in overseas at scale. I don't see smaller or mid-size companies able to reap the same kind of benefits as easily, unless they were setup with it in mind from the start.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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That seems like a dumb thing to say about an experience so many of us have. My productivity, health and state of mind were all better when I worked from home. Why is Altman lying to me?

Depends on your reference frame.

You're thinking about it as an individual.

But is your company's productivity better? Is your team's productivity better? That's ultimately what will come down to.

It's fair to say that HN is overwhelmingly pro-remote work. This is because coding is uniquely "not bad" for remote work. And there are many coders on HN.

But pretty much every other department is worse off with 100% remote work, in my opinion.

Even software development hits a remote-only wall eventually because you don't create those relationships in person. Everyone is just a mercenary. Very little culture or care is created.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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That seems like a dumb thing to say about an experience so many of us have. My productivity, health and state of mind were all better when I worked from home. Why is Altman lying to me?

Depends on your reference frame. You're thinking about it as an individual. But is your company's productivity better? Is your team's productivity better? That's ultimately what will come down to. It's fair to say that HN is overwhelmingly pro-remote work. This is because coding is uniquely "not bad" for remote work. And there are many coders on HN. But pretty much every other department is worse off with 100% remote…

> Everyone is just a mercenary.

That simply mirrors corporate culture. For all the chest-beating to the contrary, the overwhelming majority of companies are not "families" or "bands of friends" - they're groups of people there to make money. When the company has no loyalty or compassion towards employees, employees will do the same to the company.

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post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on your reference frame. You're thinking about it as an individual. But is your company's productivity better? Is your team's productivity better? That's ultimately what will come down to. It's fair to say that HN is overwhelmingly pro-remote work. This is because coding is uniquely "not bad" for remote work. And there are many coders on HN. But pretty much every other department is worse off with 100% remote…

> Everyone is just a mercenary. That simply mirrors corporate culture. For all the chest-beating to the contrary, the overwhelming majority of companies are not "families" or "bands of friends" - they're groups of people there to make money. When the company has no loyalty or compassion towards employees, employees will do the same to the company.

Everyone is even more of a mercenary.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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That seems like a dumb thing to say about an experience so many of us have. My productivity, health and state of mind were all better when I worked from home. Why is Altman lying to me?

>Why is Altman lying to me?

Are you a corporate entity based on VC money? If not then he's not talking about you.

edit: As all the layoffs even with record revenues show employees are merely a means to an end for employers.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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That seems like a dumb thing to say about an experience so many of us have. My productivity, health and state of mind were all better when I worked from home. Why is Altman lying to me?

Depends on your reference frame. You're thinking about it as an individual. But is your company's productivity better? Is your team's productivity better? That's ultimately what will come down to. It's fair to say that HN is overwhelmingly pro-remote work. This is because coding is uniquely "not bad" for remote work. And there are many coders on HN. But pretty much every other department is worse off with 100% remote…

> Everyone is just a mercenary. Very little culture or care is created.

As they should be. I like and am friends with my colleagues. But I am under no delusional that I would be let go immediately if the profit motive of my company didn't justify my being there.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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  Keith Rabois, a general partner at venture capital firm Founders Fund, told The Logan Bartlett Show last week, adding that neither he nor his firm would invest in a venture based on it. Younger workers, he noted, “learn by osmosis” in a way that requires in-person interaction, and supervisors discover hidden talent by watching them.
Uh huh right, discovering hidden talents, not micromanagement, no sir!
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