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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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I really like framework and I happy they are offering AMD. But I really struggle to recommend Framework after they were unable at this time to fix a hardware issue. The headphone jack will beep when sound turns on and off. Framework confirmed with me that the vendor intended for this and they were unable to fix it because of the parts shortage. It is so annoying I bought a USB C dac to play the audio in. The keyboard…

Why not just remap it to a convenient shortcut?

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There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

Having fpgas on-board feels like something that would have been a game-changer even pre-ai. Imagine if your Ryzen chip could do hardware encode/decode of h266 the moment the spec was finalized.

Bunnie Huang already built himself a laptop with on-board FPGA back in 2012.

[1] https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2686

[2] https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3597

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I think the idea is that Windows will occasionally not wake up properly, leaving the user to “choke it out” (power button for 5 sec to force a hard shut down, power button to power up). Sorry if you had any unsaved work. Personally, Hibernate works great, doesn’t require any battery life to sustain it, and always comes back with state intact, so it’s my go to.

> Hibernate works great Seconded. All of these modern "smart sleep" solutions are uniformly worse than just giving me a got-danged hibernate option.

Hibernate is just slow, especially if you dual boot and have to wait through grub.

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One thing I've learned from running an M1 processor is how much memory bandwidth actually matters for my use case. I don't see this listed anywhere. Anyone have any ideas how this compares to something like an M1?

You should be able to find benchmarks online using 7th gen Ryzen and whatever speed DDR5 you plan to pair it with, to get a ballpark. I wouldn't expect it to touch M1 though, given M1's integrated design.

Is that in reference to the physical locality, or the bit-width of the interface

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I don't understand this, does it mean that Intel has put a part of card's hardware into a CPU and uses some non-standard interface between the card and the CPU? If not, then why cannot any other processor process the data? It's just bunch of numbers after all.

Yes. Intel has this interface called CNVi that puts only the RF stuff on the card and the rest of it in the SoC. This decouples things so you can swap in a newer radio protocol without having to throw away the rest of the implementation. Intel also markets a parallel line of wireless cards where everything is on a stick, for non-Intel or older Intel platforms.

However, in practice, it's not so clear that this works. The interface seems to have multiple versions, which aren't backwards compatible, meaning that a newer card won't work on an older CPU. For example, 201 and 211 cards don't work with an 8th gen cpu.

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Same for mine, there's even a long thread about it in Lenovo's forum (T14 gen1). I still think 4 days is not really great compared to my previous MacBook that could sleep for weeks.

Battery life is bad overall for this, at least on the sister T14s gen1. Is it the same experience for you and what tweaks have you made to increase battery life? According to this thread we might never get AMD pstate driver working. https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/amd-pst...

I enabled the pstate driver yesterday for my T14s gen3 (AMD). It almost doubled my battery life, the fan never spins anymore and it's very very quiet and cool now. You need to specifically enable it in Linux kernel, this is how I did it:

https://github.com/pimeys/nixos/commit/17e8a9e2ce4b0f34ef6cf...

It should also be used together with the `shedutil` governor for the best results.

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Battery life is bad overall for this, at least on the sister T14s gen1. Is it the same experience for you and what tweaks have you made to increase battery life? According to this thread we might never get AMD pstate driver working. https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/amd-pst...

I enabled the pstate driver yesterday for my T14s gen3 (AMD). It almost doubled my battery life, the fan never spins anymore and it's very very quiet and cool now. You need to specifically enable it in Linux kernel, this is how I did it: https://github.com/pimeys/nixos/commit/17e8a9e2ce4b0f34ef6cf... It should also be used together with the `shedutil` governor for the best results.

CPPC needs to be enabled in BIOS for this and unfortunately that option isn't present.

If you see the thread linked in previous comment, Lenovo has been advised not to enable the feature :/

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I enabled the pstate driver yesterday for my T14s gen3 (AMD). It almost doubled my battery life, the fan never spins anymore and it's very very quiet and cool now. You need to specifically enable it in Linux kernel, this is how I did it: https://github.com/pimeys/nixos/commit/17e8a9e2ce4b0f34ef6cf... It should also be used together with the `shedutil` governor for the best results.

CPPC needs to be enabled in BIOS for this and unfortunately that option isn't present. If you see the thread linked in previous comment, Lenovo has been advised not to enable the feature :/

Seems to work for me at least:

  > cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_driver
  amd-pstate
And, it has a tremendous effect on battery life and the fan speed on the G3. Maybe it doesn't work with previous models?

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Lol wut? You want VCs to fund the creation/incubation of a laptop mainboard spec using equity from Framework just to spoon-feed other vendors into competition? I mean it kinda seems like the onus is on new vendors to work off the published specs and and with Framework as interest grows to codify a standard so they can be relevant. I’m sure Framework would love that. It’s really dumb to see people advocating for Frame…

Don't blame me you didn't understand the assignment. The question was, what more could framework do to make their mainboard more of a standard, and was asked in a way that implied that the comment's autjor could not imagine a way they could do more than they have already. As to the VCs funding the endeavor, maybe you've heard of the open source movement? While funding is still sometimes slim, there are still business…

You're crazy. If we're hallucinating and sharing notes, then we could also have Framework lobby to pass a law that requires all laptop makers to use their spec. We could coerce the president of every country to pass an executive order demanding as much. We could do it by force, even. We could starve children and superglue their fingers to soldering irons and tell them they only way they eat is if they produce competing mainboards. ....just because you can imagine doing something doesn't make it in the least bit realistic. Don't be a hyperbolic asshat.

Framework is open-spec because it's good for business and customers. I would hope their investors knew exactly what they were getting into--and that's not a charity. It's a good business built on principles of reducing e-waste and reusing perfectly good parts year over year instead of vendor lock-in and planned obsolescence. It's a better product and better UX. And like Amazon showed the world, that matters. Open source has nothing to do with nor does it imply charity. Please stop misleading people by equivocating.

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