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Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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singleshot_ wrote: post #308
falseeq wrote: post #302

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It’s very clear when you buy a Tesla that the car does not completely drive itself without human supervision. It’s part of the agreement, and the use of FSD as the marketing name of the feature doesn’t change that. > The conduct of delivering something that is not what you advertised fulfills the elements. The issue is what was promised. The promise is not just the title of the feature, but all of the information pre…

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong, etc. Your negative one karma over the last 24 hours tells us everything we need to know about you, leaving my licensure status aside.

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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falseeq wrote: post #302
singleshot_ wrote: post #298

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False, of course; a bait and switch contract is a violation of the implied duty of good faith and fair dealing. The conduct of delivering something that is not what you advertised fulfills the elements. If you want to sit here and tell me that the contract actually says the car can't drive itself, that's fine but my hypothetical had nothing to do with a caveat in fine print. I suggest before you make a personal attac…

It’s very clear when you buy a Tesla that the car does not completely drive itself without human supervision. It’s part of the agreement, and the use of FSD as the marketing name of the feature doesn’t change that. > The conduct of delivering something that is not what you advertised fulfills the elements. The issue is what was promised. The promise is not just the title of the feature, but all of the information pre…

And for what it’s worth, even were I not a lawyer, I would know that the use of the word “clearly” is a dead giveaway for a loser argument.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by falseeq »

singleshot_ wrote: post #312
falseeq wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s very clear when you buy a Tesla that the car does not completely drive itself without human supervision. It’s part of the agreement, and the use of FSD as the marketing name of the feature doesn’t change that. > The conduct of delivering something that is not what you advertised fulfills the elements. The issue is what was promised. The promise is not just the title of the feature, but all of the information pre…

And for what it’s worth, even were I not a lawyer, I would know that the use of the word “clearly” is a dead giveaway for a loser argument.

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by wpietri »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #310
wpietri wrote: post #300

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Again, so what? People who do bad things often have complex motivations. That doesn't make what they did not bad. Whatever Holmes's internal state, she chose to have children that she knew she was very likely to have to abandon. I'm sure there are things in her character and history that might explain this, some more sympathetic than others. But are you claiming there's something that could justify that level of disr…

> So what? Because my original response that this conversation in a part of was to the comment: > I cannot imagine the kind of person who has kids knowing there were good odds they'd have to abandon them for much of their childhood. I think that's highly unimaginative and can reduces someone to caricature. > But are you claiming there's something that could justify that level of disregard for the wellbeing of childre…

> unimaginative

You caught me; I was being hyperbolic for effect. Perhaps you've heard of it? Anyhow, I can imagine sociopaths.

> Justify to whom?

To society, which has a duty of care toward all children? To her children once they are adults? And normally I'd say, "to herself", but see the previous bit about sociopaths.

> have much higher odds

Oh? You have statistics on this? Where a certain amount of money makes up for a parent in prison? A parent who was a notorious criminal who had the kids knowing she was likely to abandon them? I look forward to seeing that. There must have been some very detailed studies.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by 00F_ »

ok_dad wrote: post #210
00F_ wrote: post #202

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so when they introduced drive by wire, and just put it out there on the roads without telling anyone, that was reckless? or any of the countless other designs that have led us to the modern cars we have now? how about all the severe recalls, not over the air recalls that tesla gets press for but real safety issues? GM and the others have tons and tons of real physical safety recalls, way more than tesla, and thats no…

Well, drive by wire wasn't just put out there, it was tested on military jets for decades and the tech eventually got to cars. There are also testing rigs and failsafes for such designs, however Tesla is just putting a black-box AI on the roads in charge of massive vehicles. I'm not going to engage with someone like you any longer, though, as you're being really fucking rude.

no, youre not going to engage because you know youre wrong. high volume drive by wire is way different than millions of dollars jet fly by wire systems. and it doesnt matter anyway because it was one of countless systems that were tested on the road. hydraulic brakes. for a long time half the industry wouldnt trust them because it was too out-there. and yes, these systems are developed and tested in house and safety measures are put in place, all true with fsd i should add, but putting them out there on real roads in thousands or millions of vehicles is not something you can ever test for. the simple and plain fact is that when you deploy these kinds of system updates at scale, there is risk. so far, fsd has proven a lot less risky than other systems deployed by other auto manufacturers because there have been many recalls and many deaths associated with systems that did not pass the at-scale test and none of those are fsd related. there are some articles that try to attribute a crash or fatality to a malfunction of fsd but none of them have panned out. its bullshit. and even if they were all true, it would still probably not be the most dangerous system thats been deployed at scale in recent times. but its not true...

ABUSING YOUR FLAGGING PRIVS IS RUDE, DISHONEST AND SHAMEFUL. A PERSON AS OLD AS YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER

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