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Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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My favorite experience with snaps is Firefox just closing in the middle of doing something because it wanted to update, and it didn't even bother to check if I was using it first.

This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

I've been angry at Canonical for lots of things, but no longer having native apt package for Firefox was forced by Mozilla...

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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post #238

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My favorite experience with snaps is Firefox just closing in the middle of doing something because it wanted to update, and it didn't even bother to check if I was using it first.

This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

Fedora's really nice. Try it~

Alternately, I could shill for NixOS. It's also really nice. Eventually.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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For me it's now Debian on the server (debs) and Arch on the desktop (rolling releases, AURs).

Who controls quality and security in the AUR world? It doesn't seem like something I'd want to trust?

the AUR is user supported, no claims are made, but AURs are built off of short scripts called PKGBUILDs so it's easy to audit, you're gonna want to look for the line that links to a tar archive or git repository.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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It's insane how long it takes them to fix bugs in their auto-update mechanism they've forced on everyone. Things like that were reported years and years ago. They fixed the data corruption issue with their auto-update mechanism, but that too existed for years. They also still haven't fixed that disgusting ~/snap folder. It's very obvious by now how little Canonical cares about their users.

> It's insane how long it takes them to fix bugs in their auto-update mechanism they've forced on everyone. You can disable auto-updates with eg. "snap refresh --hold firefox". See: https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date#heading--... Though not taking security updates for Firefox seems like a very dangerous thing to do.

That command works on snapd 2.58+, even Ubuntu 22.10 still ships 2.57.5 unless you've gotten extra channels enabled.

It's a very new addition after people being pissed for years. I suspect most people would be fine without hold if the auto-update would be seamless. Years ago it literally unmounted applications' storage abruptly, sessions and databases still open... Not well thought-out.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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The original model is that software developers don't package their software for distributions at all, at best they provide helper scripts that the distribution maintainers can use to do that. That's why distributions are typically either giant volunteer-run organizations like Debian or companies like RedHat or Canonical.

The problem with that model is that it puts the burden on the distro maintainers to package every possible application for their distro. And application developers have to essentially wait for each distro to repackage their app before it becomes available on that distro. Or start messing with alternate repositories for each distro they want to support. The old model works for established software, but breaks down a l…

> The problem with that model is that it puts the burden on the distro maintainers to package every possible application for their distro.

You know, that was never a problem when we had to package the other 500000 packages available in debian, just when users want seemingly popular packages updated more than once per decade. Firefox for starters.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

I've been angry at Canonical for lots of things, but no longer having native apt package for Firefox was forced by Mozilla...

Not true.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.

My favorite fail with Ubuntu is every version changes how DNS configuration works.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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post #238

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My favorite experience with snaps is Firefox just closing in the middle of doing something because it wanted to update, and it didn't even bother to check if I was using it first.

This also happened to me. So I decided to uninstall the snap and “apt install firefox” Guess what I got? A freaking snap. Yes, try it. I’m done with Ubuntu

I went for OpenSuse & Linux Mint, no complaints.

Re: Ubuntu stops shipping Flatpak by default

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In my case Debian’s old package versions can often be awkward because I’m not using Linux exclusively… my macOS and Windows boxes are running latest releases of most things which can cause problems with e.g. sync features. I usually run Fedora rather than Arch though, because in my limited experience with Arch it really doesn’t like to not be booted into for extended periods of time — if you do that the piled up upda…

That's kind of ironic considering how ancient some of MacOS's userland is.

For my use case, the details of the userland CLI is mostly irrelevant (particularly since I maintain a FreeBSD server, which means I’m reasonably familiar with both BSD and GNU styles of these tools). Most of the time it just needs to exist, not be any particular version, and exceptions are handled well by Homebrew. Third party apps with UIs being up to date is more important.
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