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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

Any plans to switch to Coreboot or provide Coreboot as an option?

Otherwise, could flash programming be unlocked to facilitate flashing third-party firmware?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Aside: The international urls for this site are annoying for sharing. I understand it of course but like this one shared as /fr/ when there's already been other posts this week about same thing but on other urls

main url should be canonical https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16 which redirects to local urls (which of course also are likely all in english for the blog post) and was shared earlier

not to mention the main product page shared days ago

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #165

I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

Do you plan to make smaller laptops, like 11” or so?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #165

I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

I don't have a question, but I am a Framework 12th gen board owner and I just want to say what a cool company Framework is. For those who haven't seen a framework in real life before, I cannot emphasize enough how easy this thing is to put together or fix. Opening my computer up to replace my hard drive would take maybe 5 minutes at a relaxed pace. I bet it can be done in 60 seconds by someone who is fast at it. That's because of very thoughtful design and really thinking through the ergonomics of opening the computer up. There are little design choices like using case screws that don't come out all the way, so you don't end up spending 5 minutes replacing the SSD and 10 minutes looking for a 2mm screw that dropped on the floor near your desk. The layout of components on the inside is also very elegant. And then when you close the computer back up, it aligns itself with magnets, which just feels great; it's very satisfying, kind of like the magsafe charger design on a macbook. I really appreciate the design of this machine. You've gotten this to a point where anyone who can assemble a piece of Ikea furniture can probably replace their laptop speakers or trackpad. This is no small feat.

And more importantly, I love what you are doing for the industry overall. The idea that I can swap out my display from glossy to matte on a laptop that I've already owned for a while for less than $200 is pretty amazing. I wish you a lot of success.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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> Seems gone. I can't say I've personally ever used it I rely on it heavily and I'm sure many others do to. I wish framework included the key in their study as well. Ether way, no menu key == no buy from me.

You might be a rarity here. I've never heard of anyone using the menu key, and most don't even know what it is. I'm honestly kind of curious how you use it. In my experience, almost anything on the menu it opens has a common shortcut

> You might be a rarity here.

And I might not be, hence my call for actual metrics.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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How crumb tight are the lines on the deck with the different panels on the 16? Are they held only by magnets, such that lateral pressure could cause them to move?

We have alignment pins and notches for stability in addition to magnets for holding force on the top row. The bottom row actually latches into place on rails.

Awesome. Thanks!!

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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What's going on w/ sleep/wake and suspend, particularly on Linux? From what I understand, the previous problems were due to Intel's bizarre behavior around s3 sleep. Has AMD introduced Apple-like sleep/wake/suspend behavior?

S3 is unfortunately pretty much dead all-around, but S0ix continues to improve. We have firmware optimizations going in on both the system side and the Expansion Card side to help reduce bad retimer behavior around suspend though which improves power draw.

I think we talked about that before, but lmk if you need help with S0.

It takes some work, but it's possible to get to less than 0.5%/battery/hour, a fair benchmark as a battery reduced by >=5% after 10h of sleep is generally acceptable

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #165

I’m happy to answer questions that folks have on this. There was also an earlier HN thread on our full launch event where we announced 13th Gen Intel Core and AMD Ryzen 7040 Series versions of the Framework Laptop 13, along with a bunch of other stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35277660

Any plans to switch to Coreboot or provide Coreboot as an option? Otherwise, could flash programming be unlocked to facilitate flashing third-party firmware?

TBH that would be an instant buy from me

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

Because it's easier to touch empty space and adjust fingers. Back when I worked on Thinkpad, I really hated these keys, whenever I accidentally pressed them. I don't say you're wrong, just it's a matter of taste. It's the same with mechanical keyboards - I can't use these compact 75% keyboards where arrows/Pg Up/Pg Down/Home/End are flush with other keys; but a bit "exploded" layout, with just a bit of space between…

> Back when I worked on Thinkpad, I really hated these keys, whenever I accidentally pressed them.

A key can be disabled.

An empty space can't be filled with a key.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

Because it's easier to touch empty space and adjust fingers. Back when I worked on Thinkpad, I really hated these keys, whenever I accidentally pressed them. I don't say you're wrong, just it's a matter of taste. It's the same with mechanical keyboards - I can't use these compact 75% keyboards where arrows/Pg Up/Pg Down/Home/End are flush with other keys; but a bit "exploded" layout, with just a bit of space between…

The thing is, in every application, if you touch one of them by accidents, you can instantly hit the other one and you are right back where you were. On ThinkPad the page key have a different shape then the arrow key, its easy to feel what key your finger is on.

ThinkPads has slightly enlarged arrow and page keys that I think are perfectly usable.

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