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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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As petty as this may sound, I really don't like it when laptops arrange their modifier keys as Control-Fn-Super-Meta. My Macbook has the layout Fn-Control-Meta-Super, which makes Emacs very nice to use. Every time I use a "standard PC keyboard" or Windows laptop, I can barely use Emacs because it just feels uncomfortable having to stretch my pinky as far as possible just to hit a key. I know what some may be thinking…

> I know what some may be thinking

Switch to vi? :)

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Is there any way I can interact with a framework laptop before buying it? I've always loved laptop hardware, something about having all the power of a computer to go seems so freeing to me. forever I've been searching for the 'perfect machine' (granted perfect is relative to the time). ThinkPads were my favourite when IBM owned the brand, and since apple switched to intel nothing came close to the complete package of…

There's no retail way to try a Framework. This might not help you, but I've got a 13" MBP and 13" Framework both in my lap right now and can say if you absolutely can't stand having a laptop that doesn't meet Apple hardware fit and finish, just stick with Apple. The Framework's my daily driver, it's nice but not exceptional, and feels like the $1,000 laptop it is. The value for me is entirely inside of it. This work-…

I've never had a mac last less than 4 years, and the ones > 4 years old just become my backups. I doubt Framework laptops will find themselves with similar lifespans.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

#313

Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

The customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good it…

Split ortholinear keyboard with a clit mouse. If someone makes this to where I can just plug and play and program the keyboard firmware directly I'm switching at the next opportune moment(I'm not a hardware guy, I stop at the lowest levels of programming and leave the soldering to steadier hands...)

Though my Thinkpad can still handle another 5 years of wanton abuse I'm sure, so I have all the time in the world.

Man my next laptop is gonna be awesome. Literally everything I want in a laptop, which has never existed until now(well, soon).

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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If you pick the DIY option, you can omit the Windows license. You'll have to install Linux yourself, but that doesn't seem like a terribly difficult task for someone already going with the DIY option. I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro, and offering support for multiple distros is probably a bit outside their wheelhouse at the moment. [e: this is perhaps not the case]

> I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro https://frame.work/linux > Officially supported > Fedora 37 > Ubuntu 22.04 LTS

Yes, several distros are supported now. Even NixOS, though not yet officially. As someone who purchased multiple DIY editions running linux, avoiding shipping any framework with a preinstalled linux distro has some real benefits:

Not shipping with Linux installed gets Framework out of the business of managing distros and images themselves. They also dodge a neverending barrage of "But what about my favorite distro X?" that would surely come for them as soon as they picked some fixed set of distros.

If you are uncomfortable assembling computer components and installing an OS yourself then linux is probably not for you. This acts as a filter for people who are serious.

It's a lot easier to support newbie computer users on windows, and they are a lot more likely to get support from friends and family.

They would be shipping a DIY edition anyways, this vastly simplifies their inventory.

These may offend your Linux-maximalist sensibilities, c'est la vie.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I’m one of the chorus. I actually preordered a TOTL Asus Zephyrus Duo about a month ago, and it came in last week. It’s been a dream so far — 16 real cores of AMD 7945HX, laptop 4090, hybrid graphics, two real screens! Main display is a quite color-accurate 16:10 miniled with 240hz freesync, lower display is a high-PPI IPS touch panel, dual raid-able M2 slots (I put in dual WD SN850Xs in raid0 and that’s showing ~14.…

Why even try to use the hardware raid? I can't imagine it actually performs any better than mdraid, and with mdraid the drives are as portable as plain drives. You could destroy the special laptop and stick the drives into usb enclosures and access the array again on any other machine.

+1. Years ago I had a Raid1 mirror that failed because the controller itself went bonkers, and both drives were accumulating errors. Luckily I was using mdraid and could recover their files by using testdisk [0] on both of them separately as USB drives on a different Linux machine. Was a really really long process; I pray the storage divinities not to have to live those couple days again.

[0] https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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"We’ve partnered with Cooler Master to create an awesome new way to re-use your Framework Laptop Mainboards: a transparent, small form factor case. This will be available this Spring for $39 USD." This is the way. More vendors should do that. A huge load of obsolete but perfectly working laptop mainboards could be repurposed to other uses. Need a small system to set up a service on a LAN but don't want to feed scalpe…

The $449 Intel 1340p or AMD Ryzen mainboard seems to be attractively priced against other barebones mini PCs and the Mac Mini too!

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Which makes Apple wrong, my left pinky expects control there ;-p imo (even though I remap capslock to control). As for Emacs on Mac, I was forever closing the window instead of cutting since ALT and Command are in the wrong order (again for me). I now use an external keyboard which helps.

Heh, I guess old habits die hard. I first began using Emacs on a Mac keyboard, so now I am too used to it. I guess my rant is more of a wish for Framework or some other manufacturer to offer this kind of layout, without needing a software solution like xmodmap. The moment Framework sells keyboards with modifier keys in the "correct" spot is the moment I'm ditching my Macbook.

Get a blank keyboard, switch it in the bios, then the key matches perfectly. So minimal even Jony Ive couldn't come up with it. Truly brave.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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The customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good it…

Split ortholinear keyboard with a clit mouse. If someone makes this to where I can just plug and play and program the keyboard firmware directly I'm switching at the next opportune moment(I'm not a hardware guy, I stop at the lowest levels of programming and leave the soldering to steadier hands...) Though my Thinkpad can still handle another 5 years of wanton abuse I'm sure, so I have all the time in the world. Man…

I'd love someone to do a split ortholinear keyboard on a laptop. That'd probably push it to instant buy for me almost regardless of the rest of the specs etc.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I bought a 12th-gen Intel Framework last summer when they first came out. Aside from some thermal throttling issues (that are actually kinda bad and common, and Framework support has been so far unable to address), and so-so battery life, I'm otherwise happy with it, after I got used to the screen's odd aspect ratio and made my peace with it being a physically larger machine because of that. (I'm assuming the driver…

> I got used to the screen's odd aspect ratio ...

Many people like the 3:2 ratio and consider it a feature, including me. It's better for productivity tasks where vertical real-estate is valuable.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

#320

"We’ve partnered with Cooler Master to create an awesome new way to re-use your Framework Laptop Mainboards: a transparent, small form factor case. This will be available this Spring for $39 USD." This is the way. More vendors should do that. A huge load of obsolete but perfectly working laptop mainboards could be repurposed to other uses. Need a small system to set up a service on a LAN but don't want to feed scalpe…

The $449 Intel 1340p or AMD Ryzen mainboard seems to be attractively priced against other barebones mini PCs and the Mac Mini too!

Absolutely. We really hope to see the secondary market emerge as well. As Framework Laptop owners upgrade to new Mainboards, we want to make sure those old Mainboards either get reused by the same person, or resold to another user who can make use of it as a PC.
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