Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

youtube.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

311–320 of 434 posts

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#311

Post by NexRebular »

runjake wrote: post #190
drivebyops wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There simply isn’t a proper contender to Apple. And with Apple silicon, it’s a done deal for the next decade at least. Apart from hardware, you need a company that is willing to take Linux from the ground up and create a macOS type OS. Not simply make your own distribution and DE and call it a day. Chromebook was close, but they had bad execution and wrong ideas.

Linux is a kernel. Making your own distribution and DE is how you create a Linux-based macOS. I’d say System 76 is doing that but their execution has stumbled for the past year or so. They are working on their own Rust-based DE, to some level of success. I hope they get back on track.

No need for linux. There's the helloSystem[1], a FreeBSD-based macOS clone...

[1] https://hellosystem.github.io/docs/

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#312

Post by kergonath »

noisy_boy wrote: post #250
tourist2d wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and the OS is supposed to determine your intent how?

By whatever mechanism the OS has to verify that you have the privilege. E.g. sudo. Not by raising a plethora of hurdles.

An admin check tells the OS that you are an admin, not that you know what the software does and that you are ok with CoolWallpapers logging all inputs.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#313

Post by Zurrrrr »

burntalmonds wrote: post #75
kjhughes wrote: post #30

For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

I don't know what his specific issues are but I've always found it odd how many IT professionals prefer Apple. The interface is so frustrating to me and there is so much the OS makes hard to do. It really does get in the way a lot more.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#314

Post by elcritch »

kergonath wrote: post #303
milgra wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know the exact issues but might be related to the issues why I left Apple : I was developing a very successful little tool for MacOS ( https://github.com/milgra/macmediakeyforwarder ) which listened for keypresses. From 2016 to 2019 it became harder and harder to install it because apple added more and more restrictions to apps like this. By 2019, you had to enable the application explicitly to listen for eve…

> By 2019, you had to enable the application explicitly to listen for events at least in three places deep down in the system preferences, click accept in various popups and if you stuck somewhere then nobody could tell why it wasn't working. It’s an improvement for users because it means that not all random applications and programs that run can act as keyloggers. It’s optimising for the common use case (random peop…

Sure optimizing for security makes sense, but Apple isn't just doing that. They're also removing ways to override those restrictions. Often old methods to disable them or to whitelist an app silently stop working. Sometimes new ones don't always work, or require an absurd number of hops.

It seems alongside security there appears to be a strong desire at Apple to make macos a walled garden like iOS devices. They've hamstrung mobile safari for years to ensure the app store doesn't have competition from web apps.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#315

Post by m463 »

burntalmonds wrote: post #75
kjhughes wrote: post #30

For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

I think apple is degrading general purpose computing.

It seems like you have to buy software to do anything on macos more conveniently.

Why can't I write a script in python? or a gui script in python? it's the top language.

You can use say swift, but even with "oh we opened it up", it's really an apple-specific language, and it's compiled.

Yes you can get brew going, but that's not apple.

and ios - what a travesty. You don't own your phone. You can't access your filesystem. you have to ask permission to do anything (and they don't grant it for most things)

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#316

Post by dbrueck »

stametseater wrote: post #212
bmitc wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An Intel NUC is not much more than the top tier Raspberry Pi, once you get a case and stuff it needs, but is orders of magnitude faster. I got one and installed Linux Mint on it. It's a much, much better system than the Raspberry Pi 4 I have.

I was using a Raspberry Pi v1 as my NAS for years. It was fast enough and got the job done to my satisfaction. However when that pi eventually died and I tried to replace it, I found that v4 Pis were 1) just as expensive as NUCs, and 2) not even available for purchase anywhere that I could find. So now I've got a NUC filling that role. The Raspberry Pi org has really dropped the ball.

Ha, what timing: literally yesterday I went down the rabbit hole of researching Pis for NAS and wound up ordering a NUC.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#317

Post by dagmx »

kagakuninja wrote: post #255
dagmx wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What code is prevented by security? Other than limits to kexts, your code isn’t beholden to most of the system security changes unless you specifically opt in to make a sandboxed app.

I have to deal with refusal to install apps from "untrusted developers" constantly, I can't even believe you wrote that. For starters, the UI experience is terrible. You get a dialog telling you you can't install an app; close the dialog then you have to know to go to a certain Settings tab under Privacy & Security, and there will (hopefully) be some text that allows you to enable the app. This is a UI disaster. Mayb…

All of that is irrelevant to both my response and the person I was replying to where we were talking about coding specifically.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#318

Post by Simplicitas »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #77

I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

Love your summary. It’s more for the minority of us. For the masses, the negative headline makes the money :-)

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#319

Post by jdminhbg »

m463 wrote: post #315
burntalmonds wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

I think apple is degrading general purpose computing. It seems like you have to buy software to do anything on macos more conveniently. Why can't I write a script in python? or a gui script in python? it's the top language. You can use say swift, but even with "oh we opened it up", it's really an apple-specific language, and it's compiled. Yes you can get brew going, but that's not apple. and ios - what a travesty. Y…

> It seems like you have to buy software to do anything on macos more conveniently.

> Why can't I write a script in python? or a gui script in python? it's the top language.

You definitely don’t need to buy Python, it’s F/OSS and one command away.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

#320

Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

burntalmonds wrote: post #75
kjhughes wrote: post #30

For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

Isn't it obvious? Look at how Apple devices are used and look at what he built. I'm surprised he stuck around this long. He doesn't care if the touchpad is marginally better or their silicon is marginally faster because they are trying to destroy his world.
Post reply on HN