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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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This is why I'm so grateful to work in SWE where skills and progress are somewhat objective. If such a situation occured with my boss I could just resign and have a new job in a couple weeks. Their loss. But in management you've spent years at the company building up to your current role, and you're just kinda stuck with people. Can't imagine how stressful it would be to be in that person's position.

^ just want to clarify, alleged position.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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> Olohan said he began feeling increasing pressure from his supervisor, who told him that there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team. In July he was encouraged to fire a male employee to make room on his team for a woman, the suit claims. This is the most crazy section. Why physical characteristics like gender or ethnicity should be important in the management selection? And if yes, why only th…

Socially accepted in some circles „positive“ discrimination.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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> STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women So that women prefer to pick other fields is STEM's fault?

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Doing well in classes doesn't award recognition and opportunity for men either, though. STEM only values experience.

This is the problem: It is believed that, at least historically, STEM only pushed itself on boys. They were given lego, electronic kits, etc. while girls were given dolls, kitchen sets, etc. Once one was ready to enter the working world, men had that experience to lean on. Women not so much.

I'm not sure how applicable that is anymore, though. It's quite okay, even encouraged, for girls to play with 'boys' toys these days.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Homo Sapiens, despite all its culture, it is still commanded by Nature to do everything it can to spread its genes. A (nice) side-effect of that is that we are lewd. The problem is that we loose our composure when we drink.

Just playing the devil's advocate here, but let's assume for a minute we could reorganize things a little to avoid matters like this becoming a problem.

Like say, we could make women stronger than men, or we could give people a switch to turn their libido off, or we could invent a drug that when people intoxicate with it they want to speak about math instead of having sex. Any ideas?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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>More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. My friend who still lives in the Valley says this kind of sentiment is incredibly common there nowadays, e.g. advertising an open position and having discussions internally that a man won't be hired for the role. It's pretty surprising to me, because statistics show that most major careers have a gender imbalance in one di…

>Why is this? What is the ethical justification for why addressing the gender imbalance in STEM/software engineering should be such an urgent moral priority? My conspiracy theory is that software engineering is the last real, single, meritocratic, growing career path that costs a lot of money for employers and they'd rather tank the market by making sure the other 50% of sex is able to participate to wreck wages. Nob…

I still hope for the day when somebody will decide we need 50% teachers and nurses to be men.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Seems like no one believes him. Let's be honest: How often have you heard news about a woman molesting a man vs. a man molesting a woman?

Not as infrequently as I'd like. Though usually people will chuckle it up and do nothing about it. People actually have a hard time believing men don't like it

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

It's sad to me that the most upvoted comment in response to a sexual harassment is about false harassment claims.

Imagine the roles were reversed and it were a woman being harassed. What would the response to this comment be?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Didn't want to post from my main account to avoid any references and trails. It goes beyond just sexual harassment at work. I was accused by my ex wife. Even before any trials or anything: I lost my job, banks, housing and pretty much anything that requires a background check. I fought this for a year, and everything was dropped, because her friend came as witnesses and explained how she and my ex wife planned on set…

You can blame the #metoo movement for making it such a massive crime. I had a ex resurface in 2011 who was sadly addicted to drugs, she came to me for money. When I turned her away, she contacted the company I was working for (I was an outside contractor) with claims that I raped her when we were high school kids (1996). Shortly afterwards, I was notified my contract would be ending and I had to train my replacement. After contracting there for 3 years, it was not renewed and then I had to train my replacement?!?! I didn't have any real options to fight back and even if I sued her, she wouldn't have shown up and she hasn't had any real job outside of Walmart.

The timeline of getting my contract not renewed was actually a chance for me to move across the country, something I had been wanting to do for over a year.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Not quite as damaging, but I was accused of harassment from some blue-haired weirdo on a video call with nearly a hundred people at work. Like you, this was a person I had zero interaction with prior to the call. I considered getting a lawyer involved because I feared this could blow up, but was talked out of it by my boss, who asked me to apologize and "let's leave it at that".

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Once during a hiring panel at a previous role, the hiring manager asked us to be sure we reviewed the candidate as a junior. After we gave feedback, they mentioned they were being pressured to hire a woman and that this was why we were asked to judge the candidate below standards. Ultimately got the job, and while she turned out to be a quick learner and great coworker I still remember how shocked and… helpless I fel…

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I agree with your take despite the downvotes. Ultimately this person went on to be successful and was formidable and honest. They deserved the chance they were given, just as most of the other candidates so far have made it my way (imo) did. People have taken chances on me too. Real life is full of complex feelings. I don’t really think this experience demonstrated anything to me other than that this sort of pressure exists.
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