Surprised no one is talking about how this is terrible art and derivative of GoT and LoTR.
Because the art is actually good and better than most hobbyists in terms of technical skill in digital art.
Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art
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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art
#312Reddit's weird setup where essentially random people who were first "own" entire categories (= subreddits) of discussion is totally absurd.
What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.
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The beauty of reddit is that you can create your own subreddit with your own mods and have the discourse that you want. You're not held to just sticking with the subreddits that are given to you.
Until you can't. /r/star_trek was created by people unhappy with /r/startrek and was recently banned.
Likely for not thinking Burnham was the bestest ever.
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#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.
The first person rules forever is almost the worst possible model. Assigning modship randomly would be better.
I do miss the slashdot style meta moderation in a lot of places … I like the idea of running stuff past a screening group of users to temper the ability to wildly push around the moderation system by newly created accounts or low engagement users or bots. It seemed to work pretty well. But no such system is perfect so I’m sure there were flaws I just never noticed.
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#315Reddit = brainwash center
Thats truly interesting thing to learn on such site as HN.
There is something inherently wrong there. The up/downvotes do not make sense, there is a seriously lopsided (non human?) feedback that goes against common sense. And certain very popular reddits are just puzzling. There are things you wouldn't do in real life if you would know a bit more about the context... and yet people get feedback at those reddits that what they are doing is good, every critical thought is downvoted in an instant and the list goes on. It's like an experiment on groups of people where their feedback is totally distorted.
I can compare it to a relationship where a parent praises their child when they do something wrong, instead of scolding them and explaining what is right. So in the end the child is doing totally batshit crazy things and thinks that is normal.
Or imagine that you get in a bubble where your sense of excess heat is distorted and you can touch a red hot iron without any severe pain, yet your hands are slowly crumbling away like a charcoal.
The patterns there are very very strange.
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looking at recent online discussion, this is an easy conclusion to come to, but it's really just a huge bubble. People won't stop creating just because there's a cheaper alternative. The analogy with manual labor automation simply doesn't hold, first because people actually like creating stuff, but perhaps most importantly because there is no supply problem to solve. Taking the analogy with automation in the car indu…
We are already seeing something similar in the western animation industry vs the anime industry. Given the alternative of cheaper, semiautomated 2d animation, anime studios prefer handcrafting every single frame, instead, because some people really like drawing, and a large amount of people also likes watching handcrafted, high-quality animation with wonderful stories and visuals.
Hate to break it to you … but the “industry” that is the “anime industry” has been quietly adopting the latest technology for years. There are notable exceptions like Ghibli but for the most part, Japanese animation studios have been pioneering the state of the art in cell shading, lighting and post processing, adjustable “cartoon physics” style automated physics tweening and basically everything else in 3d computer graphics that will allow them to make the most of their artistic efforts. They’ve still got a vibrant story boarding process helped by the obvious intersection of anime with the vibrant drawing culture that produces the manga so many are based on… but beyond the storyboards they have been relentlessly trying to eliminate the need to tediously draw anything unnecessarily. There are entire 2D (not 3d!) animation tools that serve the professional 2D “cartoon” market that have widespread adoption. The 3d market is no different, the first cell shaded graphics code I read was all written with Japanese comments… “anime studios” (except Ghibli) don’t “prefer handcrafting every single frame” they use whatever tools are available and usable by them, that are capable of executing the artistic vision of the art director of that project/show/movie.
They care about the outcome not the process. They care that it looks how they want it to look, that it conveys what they want it to convey. This is artistic pragmatism at its finest. They will composite hand drawn graphics/animation, 2D computer graphics/animation, and 3D computer graphics/animation… it’s the final results that matter. I absolutely expect that once the tooling gets better at frame-to-frame consistency, once it is good enough AI/ML based animation tools will be widely adopted by the “anime industry” and it will be praised because it will do things like let small manga creators produce short OVA or movies or YouTube style content directly whenever they want without having to spend ages working with an animation studio and the fans will love it because they love the content and for the most part that love is not dependent on how the content was made.
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
This absurd beyond belief. Knitting has precisely nothing to do with politics, so I struggle to imagine what "conservative knitting viewpoints" even are. Or liberal ones, for that matter. Cross-stitching is a tool of systemic racism? Purl stitching is inviting the illegals to tukk-urr-jurrbs? To me phrases like "abstaining from politics is taking the side of the oppressor" are just so damn American. You guys, more th…
>This absurd beyond belief. Knitting has precisely nothing to do with politics, so I struggle to imagine what "conservative knitting viewpoints" even are. Or liberal ones, for that matter. Cross-stitching is a tool of systemic racism? Purl stitching is inviting the illegals to tukk-urr-jurrbs? Apparently politics definitely leaked into that community a few years back. I recall reading stories about it back then. http…
> There tends to be a guilt by association that seems to happen often—where if you have opinion “A” (some standard conservative opinion on some subject not directly tied to racism) you must also have opinion “B” (some fringe race-oriented opinion sometimes found in conservative circles).
To be fair, U.S. conservatives are only reaping what they sow. The overtly racist wing of conservatism received such a drubbing after civil rights went through that they had to scale back the racist rhetoric and talk about social and economic policies that disadvantaged certain races, but appealed to traditional ideas about federalism and small government. So now whenever anyone talks about federalism and small government, it is assumed that there is a racist agenda lurking behind those appeals because historically, there was.
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> For example, looking at some drawn art, I can pinpoint exactly what emotions the artist was trying to transmit You can't test that ability and if you can't test it how are you so sure of it? You're guessing, you're making a narrative in your head, you cannot know if it matches reality. You care about the author, great. Some don't give a rat's ass about the author. Are those people unable to appreciate art? If they…
>You can't test that ability and if you can't test it how are you so sure of it? This isn't some kind of superpower, anyone can look at Munch's Scream and recognize a feeling of anxiety. My example was a very specific one, to provide a direct example of how, in some specific pieces of human artwork, the emotions an artist is trying to transmit will come through the screen. Not all drawn art speaks with the same clari…
> I really don't want to punch you or any AI researcher as it would be quite pointless
But you will HAVE TO. There is no other way to enforce legislation, threat of violence is necessary. If there is no violence refusal to comply to your legislation follows.
> From your messages, I infer you do not come from a truly democratic country[...]
You are completely and entirely incorrect. I am from the EU and I wish my country would stop abiding by the inane regulations set by the EU that you seem to love.
> At the very least, I know for a fact that every member of my family also feels the same, and that gives me confidence that the majority outside of the HN/tech bubble also feels the same.
> I don't quite understand your points here,
> This is how I experience art, and I'm sure a lot of other people experience it the same way: not as a product, but as art.
My point is you ARE defining what art is, you are saying it is not art unless the viewer goes through the same experience as you. Just... why.
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#319And that's the argument I've been making. Once you can't tell the difference between AI-made art and human-made art, the demand for human-made art will dramatically decrease, especially in the commercial areas. If it takes a human a month to paint something beautiful, and 1 minute for AI, it's really hard to compete with AI. The best we have is Midjourney V4, and it's getting quite close.
This is why I believe we’ll soon see a huge increase in the popularity of ‘physical’ art. Theatre, sculpture, dance… in a world overflowing with computer made images and sounds, things which can only be human-made will be all the more special.
We've had painting robots for quite a long time now.
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do Reddit moderators do their work? They are paid in power. They get to decide what viewpoints are seen or not by others. That is a very compelling wage. And of course they all think they're doing a service by advancing their ideology because of course their ideology is the right one.
That's an extremely reductive claim. Can you really not think of more mundane reasons someone might find themselves moderating reddit? It's hard to imagine "ideology" being relevant to the vast majority of reddit... Do you really think the moderators of ELI5 or PeopleFuckingDying or some obscure porn reddit or whatever are primarily concerned with "ideology"? I used to help moderate a poker forum. I was a professiona…
Reddit mods have a habit of blocking/censoring views they don't agree with, (mainly all on one side, consistent with their ideology). That doesn't mean it applies to every subreddit, but if it weren't a widespread problem do you really think anybody would be talking about it?