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Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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In this case “whatever they can to turn a buck” = “showing you ads targeted to 20 year old males because you said in your profile that you’re a 20 year old male”.

what profile? i don't use said platform, but they still hoard data about me anyways. so fuck 'em if they get barred from doing shady shit. and yes, i feel that all of the cursing is mandatory because being nice has gotten us fuck all for protections from these leeches.

This article isn’t about tracking and so they’re not being punished for any of that.

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Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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I'm happy to be an EU citizen for all the great tech regulations that are actually passing here !

This made me think of Elephant in Cairo [1] and Pachydermic Personnel Prediction [2]. Specifically, it reminded me of what the classification says about the job of a politician: > Politicians don't hunt elephants, but they will share the elephants you catch with the people who voted for them. Along these lines, we'd have something like > Europeans don't invent new tech, but they will regulate the tech you invented. A…

The thing is, whether these laws happened because of non European business or because of European business is irrelevant to me.

There are companies (outside and inside of Europe) misusing personal data given to them and there were not enough regulations about this.

Now there is, so I'm happy.

If a random country made similar laws only for their companies I would also be happy, for the users located in this country.

It just happens to affect me and the people I know so I'm even more happy.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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>it's pretty clear that "the market" isn't solving this problem. Have you considered that it isn't being solved because consumers don't actually mind the extra tracking? All the tracking does is attempt to give them better ads. Better ads provide a better user experience. Personalized ads are a win win for both the company and the user.

If people don't care, then why is legislation being passed? There is little monetary benefit to a government to unilaterally enact this kind of legislation without public support or legitimate concern for public safety. Privacy and data mining by corporations is a huge topic of discussion these days. Because the conversation doesn't enter your bubble, it doesn't mean it's not happening. You should look around more, f…

>If people don't care, then why is legislation being passed?

Because there is a vocal minority who does care and the media makes the collection of data sound scarier than it really is.

>There is little monetary benefit to a government to unilaterally enact this kind of legislation

Except for all of the fines that you can collect under it?

>get a sense of public opinion before making claims about it.

I have and most people do not care until you start using loaded words that make people think people are actually spying on them and people who can look at their data when in actuality their data is drop in a pond and it is only processed by computers and is never looked at by another human.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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>Europe that keeps them from being a hotbed of technological innovation [...] across a wide swath of sectors including healthcare and tech. In some cases it's OK and frankly preferable to prevent "technological innovation" that comes from the US. I recently signed up with a new healthcare provider that wanted me to use their portal, but buried in the signup agreement was text that said you agree that if your data is…

Wow. There's no way that should be legal. I hope somebody sues so a judge can rule on it.

Problem is that bringing on a lawsuit (especially against a large company) is difficult, so maybe laws such as the GDPR that forbid everyone from misusing personal data are better, instead of forcing citizens to spend time & money getting their own justice.

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I think you're contributing to the discussion, but I strongly disagree with you. In this case, according to the linked article, it seems to me like meta tried to rules-lawyer their way around the GDPR, and got told no, the words "contract" and "consent" mean exactly what they usually do. If you're testing the boundaries of a law for your own benefit, sometimes you get told you've overstepped it, that's life - not an…

"5 EUR/month but we'll give it for free if you agree to personalised ads" Is this an edge case? My understanding is that it's legal under GDPR.

It's a grey area. It's illegal under the GDPR, but some newspapers in Europe are taking the gamble and seem to be getting away with it for the time being.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Meta can still use personal data for ads. They just have to explicitly ask for consent. I do not like these sensationalized titles on HN.

It’s like the iOS popup “do you want to let the app track you?” It’s a BS feature and they might as well default to not let apps track. Is anyone going to click yes?

If they just defaulted to "no" with no option to opt-in this would prompt the argument that people love targeted ads and Apple is the bad guy for not allowing them.

If they give the choice, they can put out real-world proof out there that nobody wants them, as demonstrated by low single-digit acceptance rates.

They can use this proof in the future to default to "no" without possibility of opt-in.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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That's not an analysis, that's a polemic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mises_Institute Even if they got the numbers right, which I doubt, they completely miss that US income has to pay for a lot more than in most of Europe, healthcare and education just as the most prominent examples, also lack of public transit etc. And of course anyone who has ever lived both in the US and in one or more European countries knows t…

if you read the article, you would see that they account for social service transfers. > And of course anyone who has ever lived both in the US and in one or more European countries knows that this "analysis" is BS. mm. if we are going by anecdata, my dad grew up in Europe in latter 20th century and they could not afford shoes or electricity. his siblings were put up for adoption. things have certainly changed, but t…

> mm. if we are going by anecdata, my dad grew up in Europe in latter 20th century and they could not afford shoes or electricity. his siblings were put up for adoption. things have certainly changed, but that is intense material deprivation relative to latter 20th century US.

Take a tour of rural Alabama or Appalachia today and you will see plenty of extreme poverty like that. We have a whole industry of NGOs and bin manufacturers [1] just to supply them with used clothes and shoes, massive subsidies to provide them with internet and electricity, and so on.

Once you get out of the big cities, especially in "fly over" states, the poverty in the US can be downright staggering.

[1] https://d2jald4mo73t7v.cloudfront.net/banners/_1200x630_crop...

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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I'd wager that if you would put it to a referendum, the vast majority would prefer access to Meta's services for free to GDPR in Europe. Max Schrems isn't helping anyone.

I'd wager the vote would be way more nuanced if it came with a form where you can log in with Facebook and get a dump of all the data they captured on you, including what's been inferred by machine-learning models or stolen from other people's contact lists.

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> Unintended results are part of writing the laws. It's hard to forsee companies wanting to annoy users on purpose. > So is writing a law that phone ports must be USBC and forgetting about wireless charging standards. What's the problem here? Wireless charging is already using a single standard.

Out here Starbucks still has a bunch of tables with some kind of wireless charging ring that isn’t Qi. But more importantly, “phones must have a USBC port if they have a port” doesn’t implement “phones must charge from a USBC charger” and so users could go out and buy portless phones and discover they still have to carry around a charger, the problem you were supposedly solving.

> Out here Starbucks still has a bunch of tables with some kind of wireless charging ring that isn’t Qi.

Qi won, though. Nobody is deploying new non-qi powermat, and supposedly there are firmware updates to make those compatible.

> But more importantly, “phones must have a USBC port if they have a port” doesn’t implement “phones must charge from a USBC charger” and so users could go out and buy portless phones and discover they still have to carry around a charger, the problem you were supposedly solving.

Buying and keeping a phone with no charging port is a very intentional act and I'm not overly worried about that.

And it's still much better to have two ways to charge, one wired and one wireless, than to have three.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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"The decision would still allow Meta to use non-personal data (such as the content of a story) to personalize ads or to ask users for consent to ads via a 'yes/no' option. Users must be able to withdraw consent at any time and Meta may not limit the service if users choose to do so." How is that supposed to work? FB is required to provide a service at a loss? If I were FB I'd work to actually make a yes/no contract -…

FB isn't required to operate in the EU, but if they want to, they're required to follow EU law. It's FB's problem to find a way to be profitable while following the law. It's normal that companies have to find a way to live with the cost of regulations, and if they can't, leave the market or go bust.

For example, manufacturers are required to avoid use of harmful substances, and follow health and safety regulations, even though it'd be more profitable not to. Sweatshops and child labor would be more profitable, but these business models were rejected by the governments too.

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