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Post by phkahler »

boole1854 wrote: post #105

Many commentators seem to think this is a sudden, recent backpedaling from a previous absolutist view on free speech. However, Musk has been promoting the "freedom of speech" vs "freedom of reach" distinction for a while, at least months before his takeover, including describing how such a policy should be implemented at Twitter. Here's one example quote from June, 2022: “I think there’s this big difference between f…

I don't like platforms deciding what I see. I connect with people to get their posts. Period. I want them all, or let me control my filters if there are any.

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Post by tdehnel »

slg wrote: post #243
phphphphp wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That analogy doesn’t really fit with the model of Twitter. If we are using the town/time square example, what Elon is describing is the digital version of putting a noise-cancelling box around the people saying “bad” things so that nobody can hear them. A message spreads on Twitter because individuals on Twitter amplify it (with engagement, retweets etc.) which is itself a form of speech: if you say something bad, an…

>So you’re probably right to say this isn’t a sudden 180 on his thoughts, but it still highlights how faulty his framing of free speech is. I still don't understand what his logic is. What is the philosophical value of free speech if no one is able to hear that speech? Is his viewpoint that free speech is just about babbling on into an empty void? What is the value in protecting that? How does one argue that shadowba…

Twitter currently suggests tweets from people you don’t follow. I believe that would be part of the “amplification” or “reach” he’s referring to.

That’s how tweets spread and get massive faster/more than typical virality.

Now imagine turning that off. You can still say what you want, and your followers will see it, but it won’t get blasted out to that whole world.

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Post by Pulcinella »

kidme5 wrote: post #309

I've discovered that if you tweet the name "Michael Griffin" + "Elon" (or "Musk"), nobody will see your tweet organically unless they search for it directly. Michael Griffin is an important person in Elon's real (non-mythical) history that he'd probably rather you not know about, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

Can you clarify your point? Is the accusation that Musk received CIA money from Griffin? Or that Space X had an easier time of getting government co tracts because he was buddies with Griffin?

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Post by avereveard »

scubbo wrote: post #268
nomel wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want purely that, because I end up drowning in uninteresting tweets from everyone I follow. I want to see notable tweets, from the people I follow, because I don't care if they're eating a sandwich. I also want to see tweets I would find notable/interesting, from people I don't follow, if I knew they existed. An algorithm would help with that suggestion. What I really want is Spotify's "Discover Weekly", and…

Both of which are totally reasonable desires - but you should be the one that gets to decide which "mode" you're operating in. If you want only (and all) followees tweets - go to that view. If you want just the "greatest hits" of your followees - a second view. And if you want to trust in The Great Algorithm and take some recommendations, that's also reasonable. What I think people are really opposed to isn't necessa…

I think that there should be a small algorithm specific for everyone, instead of the great algorithm. Possibly with the ability of grouping your follows into channels, each channel with a small algorithm built on your previous interactions with the channel.

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Post by wazer5 »

Pulcinella wrote: post #314
kidme5 wrote: post #309

I've discovered that if you tweet the name "Michael Griffin" + "Elon" (or "Musk"), nobody will see your tweet organically unless they search for it directly. Michael Griffin is an important person in Elon's real (non-mythical) history that he'd probably rather you not know about, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

Can you clarify your point? Is the accusation that Musk received CIA money from Griffin? Or that Space X had an easier time of getting government co tracts because he was buddies with Griffin?

Besides COTS and CRS contracts, Griffin connected Elon with his early employees (incl Tom Mueller) and gave the reusable rocket idea.

Dwarfing all that in the long term is the missile defense system (Space Development Agency project) that Griffin started in 2019.

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Post by Shared404 »

lmarcos wrote: post #89
achenatx wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it isnt about truth or fiction, it is negative/hate tweets. I run a politics forum and the one rule is no insulting other people, groups, or positions. This makes for a very civil, but bland conversation. People engage with negative/hate tweets. I personally like talking politics without insults, but most people are incapable of it. It is easy to detect insults.

I don't know about English, but in other languages you need to know the context to distinguish "hate" speech and insults. If I call someone "You, motherf*er!", without context you don't know if I'm insulting that person or just acknowledging my friend who just made a great joke.

Ditto for English. Very common for that exact interaction in fact.

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Post by fzeroracer »

dilap wrote: post #295
abzolv wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the correct take. Without the staff and institutional knowledge of a 16 year old service, no amount of hand waving will keep the service healthy. It’s a stunning display of what not to do.

Perhaps the Twitter code is convoluted and messy, but really, you think to such a degree that even a small team of highly-motivated, skilled engineers could not figure it out and keep it running?

Any motivated, highly skilled engineers that's worked on long running global software systems will tell you that maintaining systems is hard, and coldbooting a system is even harder.

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Post by threeseed »

guynamedloren wrote: post #212
aquova wrote: post #153

There's some interesting discussion in this thread about whether this is the right or wrong move for Twitter. However, after the debacle last night, I think it's a moot point, I simply don't see twitter.com still running within the next few months, possibly within the next few weeks. He's fired 50% of the company, reports seem that conservatively 50% of the remainder just quit yesterday, their subscription service ha…

> I simply don't see twitter.com still running within the next few months, possibly within the next few weeks Aside from the staffing changes, what unique insight do you have, that Elon Musk does't have, that makes you so confident that the platform is doomed? And so quick at that.

Because the former Twitter engineers who literally built it have said so. And I've personally worked on a few "web-scale" apps before and I believe them.

No system I've ever seen is 100% automated. Especially for occasional tasks eg. hot patching emergency security fixes or refreshing expired internal certificates.

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Post by kidme5 »

Pulcinella wrote: post #314
kidme5 wrote: post #309

I've discovered that if you tweet the name "Michael Griffin" + "Elon" (or "Musk"), nobody will see your tweet organically unless they search for it directly. Michael Griffin is an important person in Elon's real (non-mythical) history that he'd probably rather you not know about, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career

Can you clarify your point? Is the accusation that Musk received CIA money from Griffin? Or that Space X had an easier time of getting government co tracts because he was buddies with Griffin?

"SpaceX also designs and launches custom military satellites for the Space Development Agency as part of a new missile defense system in low Earth orbit. The constellation would give the United States new capabilities to sense, target and potentially intercept nuclear missiles and hypersonic weapons launched from anywhere on Earth. Both China and Russia brought concerns to the United Nations about the program, and various organizations warn it could be destabilizing and trigger an arms race in space."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Starlink

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