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Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by uxcolumbo »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #309
uxcolumbo wrote: post #305

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And here are some counter points: Oldest known vegan - Dr Wareham (heart surgeon) - 104 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham Athletes thriving on a plant-based diet: https://gamechangersmovie.com/ 100s of physicians recommending a plant based diet: https://www.pcrm.org/ Vegan doesn't mean automatically being healthy. Vegan is mainly about being cruelty free as much as possible, as killing and exploi…

All of that data is suspect. About 2 decades back I used to believe that that at lest some people can thrive without any animal products. If you thought that a large number of experts (docs in this case) collectively cannot get it wrong , you are I have a different judgment to our fellow simians....

What data? I didn’t mention any data… and you didn’t you either btw.

I posted some examples negating your absolute statements.

Do some ppl need animal products because of medical reasons? Peobably.

But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well?

Some other anecdotal evidence… myself. I’m on a animal product free diet and did some blood work… my doc says I should continue doing whatever I’m doing.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by dundarious »

scythe wrote: post #310
dundarious wrote: post #268

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I eat shelled hemp seeds pretty much every day at this point, but even when first trying them I thought they tasted pretty innocuous, and very easily overpowered by the rest of the dish. I put it in quinoa salads and butternut squash stews all the time (at the point of consumption, I never cook them into the stew). Have never had anyone tell me there was a rank flavor in the mix either.

Maybe my mistake was trying to cook them into the stew. But you have to eat quite a bit to get a significant amount of protein — about six tablespoons for 20 grams. So if you just put a spoonful into a salad I'm sure it's fine, but it's not functioning as a source of macronutrients. For comparison, poppyseeds are, in principle, a great source of calcium, but you can't use them that way.

I see now, I wouldn’t want the majority of a dish to be hemp seeds.

I’m eating them for a topup of omegas in a nice balance. And not too much, just enough to cover the surface of the bowl, which is still a few tbsps. A salad for me is mostly quinoa and chickpeas so I’d rather get my protein from them. Somewhat similarly, lentils and other beans in a stew.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by [deleted] »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #309
uxcolumbo wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here are some counter points: Oldest known vegan - Dr Wareham (heart surgeon) - 104 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham Athletes thriving on a plant-based diet: https://gamechangersmovie.com/ 100s of physicians recommending a plant based diet: https://www.pcrm.org/ Vegan doesn't mean automatically being healthy. Vegan is mainly about being cruelty free as much as possible, as killing and exploi…

All of that data is suspect. About 2 decades back I used to believe that that at lest some people can thrive without any animal products. If you thought that a large number of experts (docs in this case) collectively cannot get it wrong , you are I have a different judgment to our fellow simians....

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Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #311
dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of that data is suspect. About 2 decades back I used to believe that that at lest some people can thrive without any animal products. If you thought that a large number of experts (docs in this case) collectively cannot get it wrong , you are I have a different judgment to our fellow simians....

What data? I didn’t mention any data… and you didn’t you either btw. I posted some examples negating your absolute statements. Do some ppl need animal products because of medical reasons? Peobably. But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong…

>But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well?

Yes they are. If consensus is your only way you determine if a piece of information is correct, they you and I can never agree.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by uxcolumbo »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #314
uxcolumbo wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What data? I didn’t mention any data… and you didn’t you either btw. I posted some examples negating your absolute statements. Do some ppl need animal products because of medical reasons? Peobably. But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong…

>But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well? Yes they are. If consensus is your only way you determine if a piece of information is correct, they you and I can never agree.

So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong?

If you ignore scientific evidence or medical consensus then yes I agree - no point continuing this discussion.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #315
dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well? Yes they are. If consensus is your only way you determine if a piece of information is correct, they you and I can never agree.

So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong? If you ignore scientific evidence or medical consensus then yes I agree - no point continuing this discussion.

>So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong?

Yep. though a broken clock is also correct twice a day, not sure what proportion of advise they give is wrong.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by uxcolumbo »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #316
uxcolumbo wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong? If you ignore scientific evidence or medical consensus then yes I agree - no point continuing this discussion.

>So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong? Yep. though a broken clock is also correct twice a day, not sure what proportion of advise they give is wrong.

Like I said - no point in continuing discussions if you just dismiss medical facts that don't fit your narrative.

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by NikolaNovak »

pvaldes wrote: post #232
NikolaNovak wrote: post #184

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is 5g a large quantity? I must be missing significant context.

5g of a dessicated product, so is concentrated.

Right, but it's still 5g, whereas average daily human consumption of stuff is probably closer to kg?

Re: Is algae the new kale?

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Post by wwfzyn »

ben_w wrote: post #298
wwfzyn wrote: post #282

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It's technically correct that we need some animal products. The big one I can think of is crude oil. It's from animals long dead and also used to make plastics. Not sure if we count insects as animal products but the work of bees helps pollinate our crops. We don't eat the bees but we do take advantage of them and breed them to go around and pollinate crops.

> crude oil. It's from animals IIRC that's mostly from plants and algae, and definitely can be substituted with things made purely from plants and algae. However, I was replying to someone who said specifically "meat", and crude oil isn't meat. > Not sure if we count insects as animal products but the work of bees helps pollinate our crops. We don't eat the bees but we do take advantage of them and breed them to go a…

Can't argue with those points. I went too far and ended up leaving the field. :-)
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