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Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by [deleted] »

fra wrote: post #304
eps wrote: post #162

Nice. Lost me at subscription. (Edit, to clarify - not because of what it offers, but because the very existence of a subscription tends to create wrong incentives for the company so to try and push people onto them. Maybe not now, but this will happen. Guaranteed.) Also, I don't see a properly supported way to actually get docs to/from the device without a cloud service, theirs or someone else's. For example, [1] sa…

Repeat after me: "Traditional hardware purchases do not support software investments", as Zach Supalla so decisively put it ( https://www.atomsandbits.io/p/hardware-software-business-mod... ). You can not ask for cloud-enabled conveniences, as well as bug fixes, security updates, and product improvements for years to come for a one time fee. Increasingly, devices are a delivery mechanism for software, and one way or…

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Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by laserlight »

Can someone educate me why not instead buy an iPad for $50 (18%) more? Currently 9th generation iPad lists at $329 and reMarkable 2 at $279. Both devices have similar form factor, except iPad is slightly heavier. Yet, iPad is infinitely more capable compared to a reMarkable 2.

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by ge96 »

eps wrote: post #162

Nice. Lost me at subscription. (Edit, to clarify - not because of what it offers, but because the very existence of a subscription tends to create wrong incentives for the company so to try and push people onto them. Maybe not now, but this will happen. Guaranteed.) Also, I don't see a properly supported way to actually get docs to/from the device without a cloud service, theirs or someone else's. For example, [1] sa…

I've had one for over a year. I have not connected it to WiFi yet, no subscription. I just draw in it. There are github repos to connect to it, would be nice rather than taking a picture of the screen.

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by swozey »

laserlight wrote: post #312

Can someone educate me why not instead buy an iPad for $50 (18%) more? Currently 9th generation iPad lists at $329 and reMarkable 2 at $279. Both devices have similar form factor, except iPad is slightly heavier. Yet, iPad is infinitely more capable compared to a reMarkable 2.

> Yet, iPad is infinitely more capable compared to a reMarkable 2.

I have a feeling this might be a big part of it. As in the users might want a distraction-free note taking solution.

Beyond that my friends have told me its templates, ease of use and writing experience (the on screen feel) are great.

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by joshspankit »

fra wrote: post #304
eps wrote: post #162

Nice. Lost me at subscription. (Edit, to clarify - not because of what it offers, but because the very existence of a subscription tends to create wrong incentives for the company so to try and push people onto them. Maybe not now, but this will happen. Guaranteed.) Also, I don't see a properly supported way to actually get docs to/from the device without a cloud service, theirs or someone else's. For example, [1] sa…

Repeat after me: "Traditional hardware purchases do not support software investments", as Zach Supalla so decisively put it ( https://www.atomsandbits.io/p/hardware-software-business-mod... ). You can not ask for cloud-enabled conveniences, as well as bug fixes, security updates, and product improvements for years to come for a one time fee. Increasingly, devices are a delivery mechanism for software, and one way or…

In fact: I think remarkable is the perfect product for a subscription. Once they reach the ideal hardware there’s no need for them to continue changing it, no need to chase features, no need to try to make new colours or update the style just to sell more hardware to the same customers.

But they still need to keep the company running for all the things that we’d want out of a long-term product (driver updates, bugfixes, security fixes, feature simplification).

Personally I don’t want to foot the bill for “cloud services” as I’d rather self-host, but for Good Tools I’m comfortable with more of a Patreon model where my subscription helps everyone.

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by abyssin »

laserlight wrote: post #312

Can someone educate me why not instead buy an iPad for $50 (18%) more? Currently 9th generation iPad lists at $329 and reMarkable 2 at $279. Both devices have similar form factor, except iPad is slightly heavier. Yet, iPad is infinitely more capable compared to a reMarkable 2.

The lack of features is a feature. The screen is good enough for focused reading, but too slow for anything more interactive in terms of consuming information. And the eink screen is more enjoyable to look at. ReMarkable is the reason why I have finally been able to go back to study as a dropout. It isn’t a perfect product, but it’s good enough and that’s huge.

Retrospectively though, I think a laser printer might’ve been as cheap and efficient (given how buggy and slow everything related to synchronization is with the reMarkable).

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by probably_wrong »

integricho wrote: post #308

what a bs, a subscription, seriously!? for a device to take notes!? it should just be sold as-is, a device, that you can use if you own it, what utter BS is this subscription model!?

I came here to join the outrage, and while I'm definitely raising my eyebrows they are this close to having done it right.

First, the subscription is not mandatory, and in fact you can use the cloud provider of your choice for free. And second, if you do want to make use of the online functions (kids nowadays love their cloud sync) it does make sense that they would charge for them. Space may be cheap nowadays, but it's not free.

I personally would have preferred them to go the other way, presenting it "offline first" and then add "plus all of this extra features" afterwards, as it would save me having to cancel a service I don't want. But at least they do offer a working product without it, which is a rare feature nowadays.

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by BossingAround »

Before buying remarkable, compare remarkable to a BOOX device. I did just that and my conclusion was that remarkable is an overpriced piece of tech at risk of being abandoned.

For example, just the reading software on BOOX is leaps and bounds ahead of Remarkable. Similarly, on BOOX, you've got Android, which opens up a number of possibilities, while remarkable uses Linux (which sounds awesome until you realize that nobody's going to custom-develop apps for a very niche device in a very niche ecosystem). Technically speaking though, this means that once abandoned, Remarkable will not be completely dead.

A comment in a comparison video I'd recommend you watch [1] summed it up pretty nicely: " The Remarkable is remarkable for the amount of stuff it doesn't have." The only thing that Remarkable wins at is the actual writing experience (which you can top with a $30 fountain pen).

I was seriously considering buying Remarkable. I've bought a BOOX Lumi instead, and it has been a great experience.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQp1o6qPj8

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

pantulis wrote: post #136
aanthracite wrote: post #116

https://onyxboox.com/boox_maxlumi2

Is this the only option for 13''? I am looking for something that can display sheet music to my poor eyesight.

For 13" e-paper document readers, there's the Fujitsu Quaderno A4 or its predecessors, the Sony DPT-RP1 / DPT-S1. They are PDF only, since they were intended for professional use.

Re: reMarkable 2

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Post by user3939382 »

kstrauser wrote: post #31
user3939382 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Kobo has an adjustable backlight that works great.

Are you sure it’s a backlight? I’m looking at my Libra 2 and can’t tell whether the light’s in front or in back.

I can say perceptually it's a backlight, how they did it in engineering terms I'm not sure.

It can even be in dark mode and variably backlight only the foreground content with no change in the illumination of the dark background.

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