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Kanye West is buying Parler
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#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time Slim Shady stands up [0]. [0] - https://iamyourtargetdemographic.com/2011/08/30/kanye-west-v...
This article is from 2011, but today on Spotify Eminem still has more monthly listeners than Kanye West (53M vs 51M). Eminem also has several songs that have over a billion streams (one with >1.5b), while Kanye has just one and it's at exactly 1b. So yes, Eminem is still well ahead.
This discounts Kanye's production work as well and might discount many of his collaborations, but I expect Eminem to still have more listens on spotify.
However, in terms of influence on hip hop and pop music as a whole, I think Kanye is above Eminem and it's probably not close. Unfortunately, that's a lot harder to measure.
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#313I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will on…
On one hand, there should ideally be no discrimination. So, hate speech directed even at white males should be disallowed. On the other hand, society resolved through politics (such as Affirmative Action) that the compound interest and lasting synergistic effects of historical discrimination should be compensated for somewhat. The only way to do that is through more discrimination (i.e. relatively penalizing the leas…
HAve you ever looked at the ads on 4chan/pornhub/generic "free speech" site? That's the reason twitter doesn't allow anti-semetic speech.
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#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again: not only is he diagnosed, he's open about about it. He literally attributes his success to his mental illness. His "thinking for himself" includes the a paranoid delusion about literal fake children corrupting his children. You're not doing him any favors by dignifying this stuff. The irony here is I'm not condemning West. I'm recognizing the terrible situation he's in. It's your analysis that's uncharitable t…
He is open about having been diagnosed, not about having a "public breakdown", being "increasingly unhinged" or "quite evidently sick". Those are your inventions. Though they might well be true I think one should be careful diagnosing people at a distance (and without being a mental health professional) especially when it is used as a justification for taking away someone's agency (which I acknowledge you haven't don…
You're right. Maybe there is a conspiracy to plant child actors at his house to sexualize his children.
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#315Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…
> The only somewhat free place I've seen is 4Chan but it contains so much toxicity, that's its barely bearable. Almost as if allowing absolute free speech has consequences, almost as if there was a reason absolute free speech isn't a thing anywhere in the world... we might be onto something
Okay I'm going to try and engage in a good faith reply here:
"Free speech absolutist" does not mean "absolute free speech", you're misunderstanding the premise here. The term does not mean that anyone should be allowed to say anything they want at any time.
The phrase means that we should permit any LEGAL speech. Where "legal" has tons of historical precedent and can be decided by the country.
We've seen time and again, that if the ability to speak freely isn't a priority, then censorship grows quickly. If you don't believe that there is a ton of censorship happening on these platforms with a specific set of biases (the biases that the employees of these companies carry) then I would say that you might not be viewing the situation with an open mind.
This is becoming a problem because the Internet has become the new town square where people learn what's going on in the world and talk with each other. If the people running these platforms are allowed to suppress speech that they don't like and promote speech that they do like, then they wield an incredible amount of power. This power is rife for abuse, both by people inside the corporation and within government.
You are correct though that 4chan is a gross cesspool, though its one I believe should be allowed to exist simply because I believe freedom of speech is important. The problem with that site is obviously that it's anonymous. Coupling anonymity with free speech is a recipe for bringing out the worst in people, but a system where peoples' identities are out in the open and where they can speak freely is good in my opinion. We need more free speech and we need to engage with our fellow countrymen and find common cause, otherwise this insanely polarized partisan situation will continue to get worse.
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#316Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think moderation should be about the words that are being said, not the ideas that are being discussed. A free speech platform should allow a wide range of topics, but it's not expected to stand for all manner of trolling and bad faith argumentation. I think that conflating the two is tripping a lot of people up in the debate about the topic.
I disagree. There are limits to what ideas constitute free speech in many modern countries. As an extreme example, an idea that puts forward genocide as acceptable form of action should never be allowed under "free speech", even if it's said with nice words. This and other examples are ruled under law in many developed countries.
Then it's not free speech. The whole point is that there are not restrictions. If it's restricted, it is by definition not free.
"Free speech" is a cool buzzword people think they can qualify for (or wish to), without the ramifications of true free speech (hurt feelings, bad ideologies being discussed in a positive light).
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it. If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?
Because of Britney Spears this has become a lot harder to do in the past year or two.
For good reason. Invoking power of attorney solves no fundamental problems and just creates a ton of other problems.
It should only be done in the most extreme of cases (ie: someone turns into a literal vegetable on life support). If someone still has a degree of agency and capabilities... even if they're delusional and/or mentally ill, they still deserve to live their life. IE: Control their own bank accounts and whatnot.
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#318Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…
I used to be free speech absolutist, but I am not any longer, especially when it comes to social media. The argument in favor of absolute free speech for me was basically “let everyone hear everything and make up their own mind”. This presumes that people are swayed by the content of an argument. This is a false assumption, people are mostly swayed by the volume of the argument. This is well documented in psychologic…
To those who espouse the idea that comments should be filtered for the greater good, I say 'You first.'
There was a time period when the left was for free speech and the right was wanting to constrain it. Maybe its just a giant pendulum - there is no right/left difference when it comes to free speech - everyone wants to censor / filter the speech of the opposite side.
If things come in cycles, then I expect the right to take over more and more (see the european shift) and then for them to slowly become in favor of censorship. Maybe then - if we are lucky - the left will remember that censorship is always the enemy even if it helps them currently.
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#319I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will on…
> I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” Are you sure? It's been a few years since I purged all social media from my life, but three years ago, it was going around and seemingly well-documented with screenshots that saying "men are trash" would get your post auto-deleted and your account sanctioned on Facebook. This seems like another of those things where extremists on all sides believe they're…
It is typical. Here is a recent illustration of one from a blue check that attracted a lot of attention but was not removed.
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#320This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…
and these Parler people are scamming him - that's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. My first thought on hearing this news was so what? I don't care about Parler or Kanye West, but if Parler is taking advantage of Kanye's mental decline then that's next-level awful. Like I said, I'm no fan of Kanye, but that's horrible to take advantage of people like that.
Is Elon Musk being scammed by Twitter?
Same situation.
Can't a rich dude buy a company without goofy rumors being spread (scammed into buying Parler)?
Having a celebrity owner increases the value.