> doing something new that's decentralized
It exists and it's called the Internet ;)
As far as a new open protocol, again there are already organizations that manage such things.
Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#312Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers
How long as Mastodon been out and still no one uses it?
Obviously a different approach is needed to replace Twitter. Mastodon is a dead end.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
I honestly don't understand the negativity in this thread. That batch of messages in isolation are really promising.
My initial reaction was indeed very positive ( I take open protocol over corporate-owned fiefdom any day ). Then the obvious question came why this was released and how. Is it PR campaign ( Dorsey - and Musk especially - were being hit in press a lot lately ) and this is just one way to help their image? I don't know. I would like to hope it is more than just image clean up.
> [This document is from Twitter v. Elon Musk (2022).]
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#314Shame he couldn't do anything about that when he was either CEO, chairman or on the board of Twitter (for most of its existence). As Bloomberg said yesterday: "Twitter Is in This Mess Because Jack Dorsey Was Too Busy Being a Bitcoin Influencer" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-29/twitter-t... https://archive.ph/7ugqn
Bloomberg are idiots talking out of their asses. They have never worked in tech companies
Hard to call Twitter a "tech company" considering how difficult it was for them to switch to 280 chars. What tech milestones did they hit in the past 7-8 years? Muted words?
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
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Why would this transition ever happen? Network effect is too strong. How open-sourcedness of an alternative would help with this fact?
network effects are overcome all the time. all the social networks are dying sooner or later. even facebook is panicking because they're losing the next generation and instagram is panically trying to emulate tiktok or whatever because they have _something_.
I agree that most social media networks have been cyclical, but Twitter seems to stand the test of time. Maybe not with the youngest generations, but Twitter definitely hasn’t seen the exodus that Facebook has.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
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I had not heard of Pleroma before, it looks nicely lightweight: https://pleroma.social
Checked out a random 'featured instance', first post is an image with "DOES IT FEEL LIKE THE ENTIRE WORLD FELL APART WHEN TRUMP LEFT?" in gigantic letters. Why do I get the feeling this is where everyone who got banned from twitter goes to hang out... It's like leaving Reddit for Voat, you'll just end up in the midst of the worst fringe groups because they can't exist on the main platform where normal people are.
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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#317I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…
>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?
He grew up with freedom of speech in apartheid South Africa?
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#318It's so obvious that Musk was not really interested. The social balance was totally non-existent in this conversation. Musk's one line replies sound so generic. Seems like he wanted to keep the door open but Dorsey hadn't convinced him really yet. "I'd like to help if I can" is such a without obligation sentence. Then Jack replies with another well-designed text.
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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
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> Why do I get the feeling this is where everyone who got banned from twitter goes to hang out... we need to let go of this mindset that there are undesirables in this world. there will always be a 'stable diffusion' seeking equilibrium between the places that censor and the places that dont, and the people impacted by those rule parameters will move to the places that dont censor, which will bring non mainstream ide…
> there are undesirables in this world. Sure there are undesirables in the world wide web: neo-nazies, Q-anon, pedos & NAMBLA, Russian propaganda, spammers and carders etc. Any platform that protects the freedom of speech for fringe groups will become a haven for them and will be eventually abandoned by mainstream users.
Yes. Normally, I do not think it has to be explicitly said, but this time it may be necessary. Speech that is not offensive does not require protection. If I say sun is shining, people will not try to deplatform me. Offensive ( and legal ) speech might cause that to happen. This is not acceptable and not part of the promise of this nation.
And this is where some universal standards are necessary. But right now it is just wild west of internal guidelines and moderator's mood ( FB level 3 violent rhetoric or whatever Orwellian language they used to describe it comes to mind ).
Parent is right. The idea of undesirables has to be let go. The public square belongs to everyone. Companies with a reach in billions can't pretend to not be a public square.
Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022
#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
Checked out a random 'featured instance', first post is an image with "DOES IT FEEL LIKE THE ENTIRE WORLD FELL APART WHEN TRUMP LEFT?" in gigantic letters. Why do I get the feeling this is where everyone who got banned from twitter goes to hang out... It's like leaving Reddit for Voat, you'll just end up in the midst of the worst fringe groups because they can't exist on the main platform where normal people are.
> Why do I get the feeling this is where everyone who got banned from twitter goes to hang out... we need to let go of this mindset that there are undesirables in this world. there will always be a 'stable diffusion' seeking equilibrium between the places that censor and the places that dont, and the people impacted by those rule parameters will move to the places that dont censor, which will bring non mainstream ide…
I believe there really are undesirables -- people who have demonstrated an inability to participate in civil society and who eventually drive away or drown out all other perspectives in a community. Given the paradox of tolerance, every community is faced with the binary choice between kicking them out or becoming nothing but them. (Like how a bar that is welcoming to Nazi patrons eventually becomes a Nazi bar.)
But if people who are engaging in good-faith discussions get banned or downvoted simply because they have different opinions or perspectives then I agree that this produces a damaging homogeneity.
Striking the right balance is critical but is also challengingly subjective, so I get why many people gravitate to extremes.