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Better than bing image search, my current go to?
Someone uses Bing?
Bing is also great for searching porn, including an embeeded video player :)
(you might have to change your region to usa first)
YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
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>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…
Piped, an open-source YouTube frontend, has pretty good search results: https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped https://piped.kavin.rocks/ https://piped-material.xn--17b.net/
Does Piped (or the similar Invidious) provide its own search functionality or merely channel YouTube's?
I suspect it might be supplying specific filters (e.g., "intitle", mentioned elsewhere in this thread) to YouTube's query engine.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#313The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…
YouTube already knows how to fix it. All they have to do is revert to their pre-2016 recommendation engine. They panicked when they along with the other socials thought they somehow got Trump elected and they kludged their algorithm to death. After that it’s just been one ham fisted patch after another. Personally I think all of the people who knew how the previous system worked are gone by now, pushed out by demands use the algorithm to shape user behaviour. Now it’s just whoever doesn’t have a moral problem with such scummy practices which is likely a basket of juniors and ideologues that barely know how to glue code together.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
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Mine will not give up on family guy. Hundreds of dis likes. Don’t recommend.
AI: Oh, showing /u/treeman79 some Family Guy videos increases their engagement, MOAR FAMILY GUY!!!111oneoneone
I’m pretty sure it’s exactly this, just time spent on page no matter what you’re doing even if it is scrolling past dozens of recommended videos trying to find something half decent.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
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I've had videos not show up in the YouTube search despite the query matching the video title verbatim.
Prepend your search with 'intitle:' and you'll get results with the string in the title.
As a regular user, my expectation is that the very first results from a search would be from matching the title string (possibly after trying to match the unique video id seen in the url), only afterwards would results from keyword matching and other such metadata show up.
Maybe I'm out of touch but I don't think this is an unreasonable expectation.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#316That is why for the last couple of years I have been only using Invidious/Piped (on desktop) and NewPipe (on Android).
I have my subscriptions there and only new videos of the channels I'm interested into appear. No distraction, no trending low quality videos in my feed anymore. I only get what I'm interested into.
When I want to look for something new, I head over the popular/trending sections and maybe navigate a bit on vanilla YouTube to look for new things.
No regrets.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#317The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. I've actually hit the end of my recommendation stream on the mobile app after marking dozens of videos with Not Interested. Once this happens it starts recommending videos you've already watched or older videos from creators you'v…
>> The trick to improving YouTube recommendations is to regularly prune uninteresting videos and channels. Eventually this should start surfacing videos you're more likely to find interesting. Unfortunately, Capitalism doesn't work like that :-(. Back in the old days, Google searches used to be organic searches in the genuine sense, and that was the best Google we ever had. But today's Google is the Big Tech Capitali…
They have to be capitalist in order to be a profitable company. The problem has more to do with their size and monopoly status. They have the whole market and no credible pressure from consumers threatening to leave for other businesses and so they just do whatever they want which is chasing internal trends and politics.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#318My main problem with YouTube recommendations is that the majority of my feed is videos I've already watched. I generally get quickly tired of waiting for the algorithm to recommend something interesting.
Although occasionally on the mobile site it inhects a "want to see something new?" into the feed which is a godsend. That list of recommendations is beautiful and interesting. However it doesn't seem to have any repeatable way to access it.
Although the poor recommendations may be partly because I manage my subscriptions via RSS so most of my watching is direct-to-video links then leaving the site. But that doesn't seem to excuse recommending things that I have already watched.
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
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>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…
I feel like I also learned the other day that Google’s search is bad like this too. That it’ll say there’s millions of results and just stop after like 400.
HN's search through Algolia is similar.
An unqualified search reports (at this writing) just north of 30 million results (30,000,229). It will display only 34 pages' worth of results, I believe 1,000.
See: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...> Final page: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=33&prefix=false&q...>
As discussed recently on HN, the match count is useful information even where all matching results are not displayed as it indicates whether or not a query is generic.
Contrast search: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...> (one result as of this writing).
Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations
#320Anyone else find it odd that we’re doing 3rd party studies on a programmed algorithm?
How else would you suggest this be done?
Self-reporting is strongly subject to bias. YouTube/Google have long been non-credible in reporting on their own activities. I've had some experience with this myself, as a third-party researcher:
https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/naya9wqdemiovuvwvoyquq>