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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by EdwardDiego »

rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

> Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed.

That's what we're hoping for - and it's generally the trajectory novel viruses take - come out of the gates with a bang and a whallop into a vulnerable population, eventually tone down as people build immunity and selective pressures favour mutations that don't dramatically and fearfully kill their victims.

> But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza

We very much did when H1N1 killed millions from 1918 to 1920. Closing the borders, lockdowns, quarantines etc. Not so much "show your proof of vaccination" due to well, you know, there not being a vaccine for influenza then.

However, you might find this illuminating - a 1905 Supreme Court decision upholding the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. [0]

> and we're not going to.

If a novel strain of influenza were to emerge that current vaccines can't handle, and it was proving to be highly efficient at causing severe illness or death, you really don't think similar preventive measures would be taken?

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by EdwardDiego »

Lumbolol wrote: post #251
nikolay wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly - there's enough data that each infection accumulates damage. This is not the flu and you're not back to where you were before the COVID-19 episode.

Each time you catch the flu you also accumulate damage. Same with every disease. Just because you feel back to normal after getting over an illness it doesn't mean there isn't a permanent hit taken in terms of future repair & recovery capacity. I suppose the argument is that Covid-19 causes more long term damage in many people when compared to other similar illnesses? That's interesting, but part of me wonders if thi…

Glad we don't have to worry about Long Covid because you said it's the same as every other disease. Hey scientists, you can stop studying it, a person on HN has cracked it.

Why would you even think that it's a false flag? I'm lost as to your logical progression.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by [deleted] »

rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by EdwardDiego »

kseistrup wrote: post #226
switch007 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many citations needed

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35361789/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32339092/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29402-5

Haha, nice, many citations given :D

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by 988747 »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #116
rossdavidh wrote: post #10

Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Now, influenza kills lots of people; in 2018 over 60,000 people were killed by influenza in the USA alone. But we don't have border closing or "show your papers" or all the rest for influenza, and we're not going to.

> Bit by bit, it is becoming the new influenza. Not saying we're there yet, but that's clearly where we're headed. Unless long COVID turns out to be a real and serious thing...

I thought that long COVID was proven to be a mental disorder, not anything physical? That's why even people who were never infected with COVID experience it.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by kube-system »

uwagar wrote: post #270
space_fountain wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, that’s not how vaccines actually work. I think you’ve had fragments of the truth presented in a way to try to make you believe things that aren’t true. Vaccines aren’t a platform that can be triggered to do different things. It does use RNA which is cool because it allows for more rapid changes. The vaccine will mostly work with a wide variety of RNA payloads with the only difference being the exact antibodies i…

u are just reinforcing my understanding. so payloads, triggering and 'specific' products are all real. surely 'bugs' in this sequence are inevitable too with maybe devastating consequences for which no one is liable. who is to say the boosters are not updates that sneak in backdoors with additional 'features'? + these vaccines are peddled by for profit companies that refuse to share IP and emergency approved by govt…

> companies that refuse to share IP

That only means they have an exclusive right to manufacture the vaccine. It doesn’t mean that the details are secret.

For example: https://github.com/NAalytics/Assemblies-of-putative-SARS-CoV...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by dang »

goto11 wrote: post #121

The headline is somewhat misleading. At least many in this thread have misunderstood the issue. Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vaccinated against COVID, including healthy people under 50. Everyone should get two jabs, everyone over 18 should get a third "booster" shot. The vaccine talked about in the OP are the fourth vaccine jab, i.e. second booster shot, which is only offered to above-50…

Yikes, that is not somewhat misleading, that is extremely misleading (assuming your comment is accurate—I haven't dug through the article). I've edited the title now.

Submitted title was "Denmark no longer offering Covid vaccinations to healthy adults under 50". That title was highly editorialized, which breaks the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."

Editing a title to make it more misleading (and linkbait for that matter) manages to break all 4 things that that guideline asks submitters not to do. We eventually remove submission privileges from accounts that do that, so please don't.

If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by fartsucker69 »

scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

on a personal level it's still an easy choice. the fact is, covid is so contagious that you WILL get it if you are not immune. no real way around it unless you isolate yourself to the extreme.

but the booster made me sick for about a day. i chose not to get boostered a second time, and around 7 months after the first booster i got covid.

I was out solid for a week, feeling really sick. and was still sick for the full second week but good enough that I could do home office. I couldn't exercise (for me, climbing) until the start of week 4. the annoying coughs continued for another 2-3 weeks, but a minor issue overall.

mind you, my resting heart rate is around 55 and I'm quite the sporty guy. I'm 33 so not in any risk group.

no way I want to be about of doing fun physical stuff for 3 weeks at some point in the near future again. so I'm going to get boostered probably in 2-3 months if it's still possible. I'll take the 1 day of sickness and then back to normal over 3 weeks of general suckage every time.

Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by EdwardDiego »

goto11 wrote: post #121

The headline is somewhat misleading. At least many in this thread have misunderstood the issue. Danish health authorities still recommend everyone to get vaccinated against COVID, including healthy people under 50. Everyone should get two jabs, everyone over 18 should get a third "booster" shot. The vaccine talked about in the OP are the fourth vaccine jab, i.e. second booster shot, which is only offered to above-50…

Wow, that is indeed a _very_ different headline. I'm glad it's been clarified.
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