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Plastic might be making us obese

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Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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Sugar and seed oils (vegetable oils). Practically impossible to avoid especially in "food deserts".

I've seen a lot of broscience that says "seed oils and PUFAs are bad". Is there actual evidence for this?

For balance, here’s a rebuttal to the fad that seed oils are our nemesis: https://www.the-nutrivore.com/post/a-comprehensive-rebuttal-...

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

The article said it isn't plastic only. The chart compared groups of Americans. Asian Americans were the only mostly immigrant group. The article said exposing mice to obesogenic chemicals before birth had effects later in their lives. 1 chemical had effects for 3 generations.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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Did you mix up desert (sand) and dessert (cake)?

a food desert is a (usually) hyperbolic phrase used to describe areas where access to nutritionally balanced food is hindered by something like scarcity or economy and replaced with access to food that is cheap and plentiful but nutritionally unsound.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

Well if you want the One Number That Affects Asians, I think what stands out to me the most is the prevalence of lactose intolerance over there, approaching 90% the more easterly you go. They just do not do very much dairy. Less scientific, but a couple years ago I decided to transition to a more meat-lite diet and ended up turning to Asian cookbooks to make that happen. Veg entrees are just a novelty to western cuis…

You might be onto something. The US government has been subsidizing dairy products [1] and it has caused a huge surplus[2], which processed food manufacturers then try to add into anything they can because it's a cheap filler. But it wouldn't be a cheap filler if it hadn't been for the government propping up the production. Dairy farmers in this country make so much milk that they will sometimes dump it rather than sell it [3].

[1] https://www.farmanddairy.com/top-stories/a-brief-history-of-...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/28/ameri...

[3] https://youtu.be/orTNTwaZauQ

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

This is the blank slate fallacy, but about food. Human populations have natural variations -- and even if we all ate the same foods, some populations would be heavier than others.

Imagine if you looked only to food to explain why the Dutch are taller than the Vietnamese. At best you'd get a small part of the answer.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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It's sugar + sedentarity. It's always been sugar + sedentarity. At least for high levels of obesity, towards morbid obesity.

Close. Not just sugar, but calories of any kind + sedentary.

True, but from I remember, sugar is worse than just fat.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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Why then, for example, are cleaning services workers, mechanics, and health workers all more obese than average? Those are jobs where you are much more active than an office worker. Those are all cases where someone gets exposed to chemicals (cleaning chemicals, lithium grease, and PFAS-based medical fabrics). In fact, healthcare support workers are more obese than healthcare technicians, even though technicians are…

The number one most obese job is a truck driver. Your hypothesis is that chemicals cause obesity. You cite cleaning services workers as receiving substantially more chemicals due to their work than the average person. Why then, are truckers more obese? If this is the primary factor causing obesity, and these people are receiving substantially more exposure than everyone else, why aren't they substantially the fattest…

Volatile organic compounds from upholstery and plastics in the dashboard may explain it. Spending a lot of time in trucks is like living in a mobile plastic house.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

This is the blank slate fallacy, but about food. Human populations have natural variations -- and even if we all ate the same foods, some populations would be heavier than others. Imagine if you looked only to food to explain why the Dutch are taller than the Vietnamese. At best you'd get a small part of the answer.

> Imagine if you looked only to food to explain why the Dutch are taller than the Vietnamese. At best you'd get a small part of the answer

Isn't Dutch height supposed be due to natural selection (taller men have more children, who are in turn tall), better nutrition (such as more high-quality dairy/cheese), and better sleep (promoting growth)?

Nutrition may be an important part of the equation.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

Higher BMI correlates with various morbidities, but is not necessarily the direct cause.[1] East Asians have higher rates of type-2 diabetes than Caucasians, both in the U.S. and in East Asia, despite having lower BMIs. So, theoretically, plastics could absolutely be a factor here.

But this nonetheless bolsters your larger point, which is that we need to better appreciate how diseases manifest and evolve across different populations, with an eye toward shared but less obvious (i.e. less superficial) similarities and pathways. And studies--or at least their conclusions--which fail to do so should receive greater scrutiny than they currently do.

[1] Notably, East Asians tend to be more prone to intra-abdominal (visceral) fat, which more strongly correlates with type-2 diabetes than BMI. Plenty more East Asians are walking around with diagnosed metabolic syndrome than you would guess simply by how they look. So fat might still be directly involved, just not the obvious, subcutaneous fat which people of Caucasian and African ancestry put on faster and more evenly distributed across the body than some other populations.

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