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AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by naikrovek »

dylan604 wrote: post #128
e3bc54b2 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context, gorhill is the veteran author of original uBlock, and current uBlock Origin. He knows what he's talking about as author, maintainer and one of the community leader/voice of probably the single best and only conflict-of-interest-free ad-blocker currently in existence. His past post[0] was reposted and generated quite a discussion on HN [1]. For further details on why uBO is conflict free, this is the READ…

thank you gorhill for making the internet a useable space.

hear, hear.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by matheusmoreira »

cycomanic wrote: post #121
ameshkov wrote: post #81

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All true, and we (content blockers devs) were saying this all for years, since MV3 was first announced. MV3 brings very little (if any) privacy and security enhancements, this is for the future MV4 when extensions will be dumbed down to sets of declarative rules. We'll now need to rely on Chrome team for implementing what we need. But they do it painfully slow or not do at all. Also, where will we get the new ideas i…

How about simply not supporting chrome. I believe some responsibility for this lies with us developers. It was developers who made extensions for chrome. We as technologists recommended chrome to our friends and families. Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. Maybe it is time that extension authors abandon ship, and we recommend alternat…

> Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today

No doubt it would. Google essentially advertised Chrome at the very top of the search results page. No amount of personal boycotting is ever going to win against that.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by minitech »

freediver wrote: post #190
gorhill wrote: post #71

One of the stated goal of MV3 by Google[1] was to avoid extensions with broad permissions: > our new declarativeNetRequest API is designed to be a privacy-preserving method for extensions to block network requests without needing access to sensitive data This MV3-based AdGuard extension still requires a broad permission to "read or modify host data" on all sites[2]: "host_permissions": [ " " ], So what you have now i…

If you care about running uBlock Origin on macOS, happy to report that Orion browser by Kagi (WebKit based) supports it and will keep supporting Manifest v2.

(In case anyone else didn’t realize or found it ambiguous, Kagi is their company.)

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by matheusmoreira »

tssva wrote: post #246
callalex wrote: post #223

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It is objectively less safe to use the web without an ad blocker.

Then it is a good thing that MV3 doesn't prevent ad blockers as demonstrated by AdGuard having made one.

It doesn't really matter though. What matters is uBlock Origin and whatever gorhill says. Either uBlock Origin works at its full potential or the browser vendor is deliberately crippling ad blocking.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by [deleted] »

Fatnino wrote: post #205
ameshkov wrote: post #149

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This sort of boycotting will only work when widely supported by both developers and users and this is not the case. Despite all the public outcry and news outlets telling that the end is near, it didn't affect the Chrome's share. > Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. I kind of disagree with this. Google Chrome's current popularity stan…

If suddenly there was no ad blocking available on Chrome cold turkey we would see nearly all users who are accustomed to an ad free experience go looking for a new browser. Coordinate this with a marketing blitz from Firefox and essentially you can take nearly all the Chrome ad block users and turn them into Firefox users. And from there it's word of mouth even from the non-techies. Good ad blocking is an essential p…

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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by matheusmoreira »

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #217
staticassertion wrote: post #210

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Presumably that permission does not mean the same thing in v3. That is, the site can still read/modify data but, of course, only through the specific declarative APIs that delegate the work to the browser .

MV3 splits permissions into host permissions and classical permissions (tabs, storage, etc). Putting in your host permission list means that whatever the extension does, it can do it on all possible urls you may visit in the browser. In this sense, it's no different than in MV2. What's different is the classical permissions. Previously you could use the webRequest permission to execute custom JS functions in response…

> Basically, Google is full of shit.

Not completely full of shit. Declarative rules are a good idea in the general case. Random browser extensions really should not have unrestricted access to the network requests. This is how we get malware.

It's just that uBlock Origin is so important and trusted that these limitations should not apply to it. I'd even say ad blockers should be a built in browser feature but the conflicts of interest prevent that.

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Post by hombre_fatal »

kelnos wrote: post #283
encryptluks2 wrote: post #197

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> No plans were announced so these are purely my speculations but to me it seems logical. And then people use and rely on information like this to further ignite their cognitive biases. Seems more like promoting misinformation than anything.

Misinformation is presenting falsehoods as truth. Speculating based on past behavior is something else.

To be fair, this thread exists because OP made the claim as if it wasn't speculation and someone took them up on it which only then made OP clarify that they were speculating.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by encryptluks2 »

kelnos wrote: post #283
encryptluks2 wrote: post #197

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> No plans were announced so these are purely my speculations but to me it seems logical. And then people use and rely on information like this to further ignite their cognitive biases. Seems more like promoting misinformation than anything.

Misinformation is presenting falsehoods as truth. Speculating based on past behavior is something else.

So if you say the earth is flat and you are just speculating based on no evidence it isn't misinformation? That is what you did and you should own it.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by HWR_14 »

NeverFade wrote: post #296
HWR_14 wrote: post #284

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Isn't the lack of a WebRequest API one of the primary changes in Manifest v3?

It's apparently quite possible to keep supporting the WebRequest API in Mv3, since Firefox is doing just that.

Firefox is still supporting Mv2 though? I thought FF just translated Mv3 to Mv2

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by willk »

vehemenz wrote: post #255
daveidol wrote: post #240

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uBlock origin is far better, especially compared to this Manifest v3 version of AdGuard. AdGuard are just doing this to capture the upcoming hole in the market as uBlock Origin stops working in Chrome. Everyone should switch to Firefox.

This is pure anecdote and not apples and oranges, but I've found the ad-blocking experience with Safari/Adguard comparable to Firefox/uBO.

I have not. Now I need an other application running in the background. Moreover, if AdGuard needs to up, then you're going to need to restart Safari. Also, I have to enable 8 different extensions to get it to work?
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