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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by appliku »

coffee_beqn wrote: post #39
joshstrange wrote: post #26

So their next chapter is obscurity followed by shutting down? It was clear even before their horribly bungled GitHub security incident that Heroku was on life support at best and it's been a long time since "Heroku" was the answer to "What PaaS should I use?". The beancounters took control a while back and are sucking all they can out of it before they discard it's empty shell. Having Heroku as your PaaS provider see…

What is the PaaS people use today? Just big cloud is too powerful or are there still niche companies that make life easy for startups like Heroku used to?

If you are doing Django or Python https://appliku.com

Free tier for deployments + AWS Free tier = year or free and convenient hosting

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Post by jarek83 »

gkoberger wrote: post #177

We pay Heroku many, many tens of thousands of dollars a year. And I still use free dynos, both personally and at work. For example, throwing up a quick app for testing (where I'm happy with dynos that sleep or are limited per-repo). By pushing us off the Heroku ecosystem for some stuff, we might as well just move everything. The only reason we even use Heroku now is because I used it for free over a decade ago. I get…

I got the same sentiment. Heroku for us was number one because of the free tier. They could consider keeping an option to have 1-2 free instances for already paying customers. It also feels to me that their business will slowly fade since now.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by sleepyhead »

evtothedev wrote: post #55

Does anyone else find the roadmap to be really uninspiring? Every tasks seems either like housekeeping ("Migrate from Github OAuth to Github App Model") or like far-too-late table stakes ("Support HTTP/2"). What am I supposed to get inspired about on this page? For items that look like they ?might? be exciting, they seem hidden behind vagueness: "Official Cloud Native Buildpacks for Heroku languages" Contrast this wi…

Yeah it was a bit disappointing to see it. For me I was looking for two important features that is essential for a European SaaS company or in the Enterprise segment:

1) No plans to do regional Postgres backups. Today PG backups are transferred out of the database region and to us-east-1. This is problematic for anyone who takes GDPR seriously and unacceptable for any customer with strict compliance requirements.

2) No possibility of wildcard + ACM TLS. We have to implement our own cert automation using Let's Encrypt instead of relying the fully functional Heroku ACM because we also need to use a wildcard cert. This is something that most SaaS vendors would require.

Heroku are aware of both these issues. For #1 it seems like they don't care. For #2 it seems like it is a result of legacy infrastructure.

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Post by bradgessler »

greenie_beans wrote: post #231
bradgessler wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please let me know in the replies what you'd like to see at Fly that would make it as good, if not better, than Heroku. I recently started working at Fly to focus on making Rails & Ruby app deployments awesome, and of course Heroku set that benchmark almost a decade ago. I can't promise I'll get to everything, but I can promise that it will help me better prioritize what I should be focusing on to make Fly better for…

managed postgres

Heroku's pg is ridiculously good. I recently wrote a document that demonstrates what Fly's pg is capable of at https://fly.io/docs/rails/the-basics/backup-and-restoring-da.... It obviously not nearly as extensive as Heroku's pg offering, but for some people its enough—for others not so much.

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Post by gkoberger »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #307
gkoberger wrote: post #299

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Fly, Render, or (blah) straight AWS. If I was starting from scratch, I'd go all in on Next + Vercel.

Why not bare metal servers or VPS from like... DigitalOcean? What is DigitalOcean missing for your use case/preference specifically compared to Next + Vercel? I'm not a DigitalOcean shill or employee, I'm just curious what I'm missing from a "what do other competitors out there offer". I always thought it was like... spinup Debian/Ubuntu VPS, ssh to it, install Docker, run docker-compose or Docker Swarm or... Terrafo…

For just the hosting, maybe. But there's so much more Heroku does, from spinning up test environments for PRs to storing secret keys (across different repos) to being a CI to monitoring to... so so much more.

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Post by donmcronald »

nebula8804 wrote: post #298
shostack wrote: post #237

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I don't understand this sentiment sometimes. There may be fraud and abuse. There may also be a material cost to a company whose detailed financial situation I'm assuming you are not purvey to. Someone doesn't need to be "a stupid MBA" to have made this decision (in fact my guess would be it involved many cross functional and leadership perspectives given its nature). Also, this is quite possibly something necessary f…

MBAs have destroyed the US/Europe. How? Outsourcing all the jobs/manufacturing to China. This caused so many knock on effects. Some include an angry unemployed population electing Trump/other populists, the west being caught with its pants down during COVID when things we needed could not be obtained from China...many others as well. Then subsequently after all the manufacturing jobs were outsourced the next thing to…

> A lot of profound knowledge has been lost. People forget that technology and what we enjoy does not magically come out of nowhere. It requires sustained effort and on the ground knowledge that has to be maintained or it will be lost.

This is something that I wish people would understand when it comes to the right-to-repair movement. For example, if nothing changes, in a couple of generations the only knowledge that will exist for repairing farm machinery will be dictated by manufacturers and will only include processes that are profitable for those manufacturers. The worst outcome would be one with parts serialization and keys that are controlled by a foreign country.

A really good example that shows the importance of independent knowledge is board level laptop repair. Until I watched Rossman's YouTube channel I though a bad motherboard was unrepairable. Then, after a bit of watching, I started to realize there are a lot of repairs that are practical, but the knowledge has almost been wiped out by large manufacturers that benefit from whole part or whole machine replacement rather than repair.

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Post by turtlebits »

aarondf wrote: post #15

Fly.io has a dedicated process for moving off of Heroku. Auth via Heroku and they'll launch your app onto Fly. They also have a free tier. The process: https://fly.io/launch/heroku The docs: https://fly.io/docs/app-guides/speed-up-a-heroku-app I haven't used it [the Heroku -> Fly process] myself, but it's been around for quite some time!

IME, Fly does not have as good a developer experience than Heroku does. I've tried several of their guides but run into hiccups each time. The web admin UI isn't very useful - almost looks like a simple wrapper around Nomad.

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Post by bradgessler »

stickfigure wrote: post #175
bradgessler wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please let me know in the replies what you'd like to see at Fly that would make it as good, if not better, than Heroku. I recently started working at Fly to focus on making Rails & Ruby app deployments awesome, and of course Heroku set that benchmark almost a decade ago. I can't promise I'll get to everything, but I can promise that it will help me better prioritize what I should be focusing on to make Fly better for…

A Java/JVM stack.

This is an unsatisfactory answer, but Fly does run Java/JVM apps via Dockerfiles. The best docs we have for it at the moment are at https://fly.io/docs/getting-started/dockerfile/, but its clearly not written for folks who want to deploy Java apps.

If somebody deploys a Java app to Fly, please consider documenting it at https://github.com/superfly/docs/tree/main/getting-started and we'll merge it into https://fly.io/docs/

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Post by jrochkind1 »

ghiculescu wrote: post #66
craigkerstiens wrote: post #17

This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

Why do you think nobody has been able to fully emulate this experience? It seems to me like there’d be a big market for an identical feature by feature Heroku “clone” with a more dedicated (from the outside looking in) team. No more features, no less, just exactly what Heroku did but without the intent to shut down. What’s preventing that from existing?

I think it's a good question I've thought about and discussed a lot.

I'm not sure.

One guess is that heroku actually started with quite a bit less than we now see -- for instance, initially only supported Rails. The bar was so much lower then, since there had been nothing else like it, that they had enough runway to start with much less than would be "table stakes" today and build up to it.

Also they just had a really really really good team, and really good management that let the team go.

And luck maybe?

Not sure what their funding was, if they had funding runway that's hard to get today for a similar product?

But honestly I don't know. There are several competitors trying. None of them have in my opinion yet reached heroku in DX. And it's hard to talk about because it's not just an issue of listing significant features; it's also a million tiny things that are just right and work together just right.

I think it's _something_ about them being the "first mover", and building out initially when there was pretty much nothing like it, and when expectations were lower.

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