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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ravel-bar-foo »

Santosh83 wrote: post #282
roberttod wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first argument sounds like appeasement, didn't work so well in WW2. Sounds like burying your head in the sand hoping no one will do anything bad. I think the parent post means top dog in military and power sense, not welfare of citizens which is all well and good until another nation is trying to undermine your core values. > Your successor will be judged by the standard you set What successor are we thinking of…

Yes indeed. Two out of those three countries have never invaded outside countries, whether for freedom, WMD or some other crap excuse. One of them is actually a functioning democracy. On the other hand a citizen of a country that has invaded almost a dozen sovereign nations, conducted almost an equal number of proxy wars and even used nuclear weapons twice, thinks we are scary. And lumps Russia, China and India all i…

> Two out of those three countries have never invaded outside countries

Limiting ourselves to the currently existing states, India has annexed Hyderabad, Junagardh, Dadra, and Nagar Haveli, while China has invaded India and Vietnam, and is presently annexing the South China Sea. This doesn't excuse the US actions in Iraq, but it does show that they are less unique than you claim.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by plonk »

Santosh83 wrote: post #282
roberttod wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first argument sounds like appeasement, didn't work so well in WW2. Sounds like burying your head in the sand hoping no one will do anything bad. I think the parent post means top dog in military and power sense, not welfare of citizens which is all well and good until another nation is trying to undermine your core values. > Your successor will be judged by the standard you set What successor are we thinking of…

Yes indeed. Two out of those three countries have never invaded outside countries, whether for freedom, WMD or some other crap excuse. One of them is actually a functioning democracy. On the other hand a citizen of a country that has invaded almost a dozen sovereign nations, conducted almost an equal number of proxy wars and even used nuclear weapons twice, thinks we are scary. And lumps Russia, China and India all i…

> Two out of those three countries have never invaded outside countries

If you consider Taiwan a country, that's technically true but misleading. China would have invaded long ago if the US weren't capable or (claiming to be) willing to defend it.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by go_elmo »

blacklion wrote: post #277
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

Youll enjoy europe then, scandinavia among others is surely on top of the us in every term apart from business revenue and the army.

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Post by [deleted] »

dubswithus wrote: post #166
modo_mario wrote: post #104

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>See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you happen to have a decent source for that since it seems rather weird given China's gov stance on covid.

China’s stance on Covid is that America is responsible. I’ll update with the wechat source when I find it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/vaccines-c...

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by plonk »

mejutoco wrote: post #251
strangegecko wrote: post #218

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> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here. As another European who lives in Asia, I don't understand this European love of blanket ranting against Americans. Yes, the US still has a racism problem. In fact, every country in the world has racism problems. That doesn't make the topic of who can get elected irrelevant. Can you ima…

> Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China Obama was/is african-american, not a foreigner

That's true but a black Chinese citizen probably won't have a chance for a long time either.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by tehsauce »

blacklion wrote: post #277
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> I want USA to do whatever it needs to be the top player Are you sure? Several months ago I've woke up to learn, that my country start to kill civilians of other country with bombs, missiles and shelling, to become "top player". And, what is even worse, many of my fellow citizens support it. Now I'm trying to leave this country for some other, which don't have ambitions to be top-player but don't kill civilians and…

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Best of luck

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ravel-bar-foo »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #223
makomk wrote: post #208

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One of the first, most important rules Chinese companies have to follow in order to access this Chinese market is "be a Chinese company". I'm not exaggerating here, and if I remember rightly this is even an actual official, stated rule controlling who can offer information services like TikTok in China (rather then one of the many unstated rules their government also uses to screw with Western companies) and includes…

There was a rule when foreign companies have to partner with a local one. This rule was recently relaxed; for example there was some Tesla factory a while ago that had 100% foreign ownership.

In the Tesla case the Chinese government astroturfed a scandal as soon as the cars were available for sale, and people who had bought Teslas were being singled out for harrassment by police. So it's a very interesting case of rules being relaxed...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by markus_zhang »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #159

This seems an intractable mess. - Our phone hardware and operating systems are intrinsically insecure. - There is no practical/effective data gathering regulation (and I'm not sure it's possible to craft any without destroying innovation) - All social media companies are doing it, leading to jeers of "hypocrisy!" - All governments play the same games, reducing the arguments to "Whose side are you on?" That's effectiv…

Sadly none of this is doable in the current version of capitalism (and in pretty much every country that is drinking from it). Corporation interests, especially those of large corporations, override pretty much everything else.

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Post by Noumenon72 »

milchek wrote: post #295
ChrisLomont wrote: post #239

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> The USA ranks 26th for median wealth Wealth is also a function of age - older people tend to have more - and that ranking is not normalized by such extraneous factors. The US is number 2 by median income, and number 1 for median disposable income, both of which are pretty important, especially to younger people that want cash flow to enjoy life.

Out of curiosity, where did you get these numbers from? I’m not from the US, but what I do read and see on the internet is that people in the US also have a lot of debt (education, medical, and of course credit) I’m surprised that even for median disposable the US is number 1. But then again, maybe it’s a case of the internet being drowned out by a vocal minority?

Rich people have more debt than poor people because they have more ability to repay. The only way debt could truly signify one country is worse off than another is if the situation were unstable (people accumulating debt in a short-term crisis and they will not be able to repay).
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