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Re: How normal am I?

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

kqr wrote: post #250
lowercased wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using this sort of data to enrich and refine existing data, vs throwing current stuff all out in favor of this newer data... that's what I'd expect (enrichment vs replacement). I'm fairly confident insurance companies have areas in their models where they know there's stuff they don't know. If more data can enrich their models to provide better accuracy, why wouldn't they?

The classic danger here is that it's very easy to accidentally overfit. What people tend to do when they get a perfectly good actuarial model and then hear that they can "enrich" it with additional data is that they start modeling noise. This is obviously not good to stay profitable as an insurance firm.

yeah, that's fair (and not a problem unique to acturial models).

That being said, enrichment with public data/claims data etc is generally incredibly effective, so as always, what data you add matters a lot more than whether or not you add data.

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Post by chris_st »

xeromal wrote: post #280
chris_st wrote: post #153

I think it's hilarious that it decided, based on the AI algorithm, that I lied about my age!

Probably cause you're not normal meaning you look young or old for your age? I think that actually makes a lot of sense. I'm pretty basic and it guess my age exactly. lol

I could have worded it better -- the funny bit to me, is that an article that's all about how these algorithms are questionable at best decided to side with the algorithm against my word!

And, yeah, no one has ever accused me of being normal :-)

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Post by [deleted] »

majani wrote: post #309
DreadLocks wrote: post #303

Dreadlocked, black guy here. Got a "violently average" 72%, age was off by almost 10 years the AI thinks I am older than my real age, and my attractiveness was about 5, which given my human interactions, is very low haha. BMI was more or less accurate. Guess the training data isn't much for someone like me. Really cool though.

Same. They're definitely shaving off points for black features: dark skin, 4C hair, larger nose and lips. It is what it is man

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Post by seanw444 »

tinco wrote: post #177
seanw444 wrote: post #167

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Correct. I don't care which government is in question, though. None are worthy of my trust or data.

I work for a company that does projects that are sometimes funded by the EU. I've never heard of the EU ever asking for something in return. You submit your project, the EU either decides to give you money, or not, and you do your project. Sometimes they check whether you've actually done what you said you'd do. No one in the EU has time to deal with the output of the billions of euro's they invest in random projects…

That's true, but there's:

A. No way for me to verify nothing shady is in the investment deal, and

B. The government may be able to turn around when the project gets big, and say "hey remember when we funded you? Yeah, now we have a say. We need you to do ___."

I don't like using software or projects funded by things I disagree with. And the government is overwhelmingly so.

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Post by debugnik »

Pakdef wrote: post #97

> No personal data is sent to our server in any way. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. All the face detection algorithms will run on your own computer, in the browser. > In this 'test' your face is compared with that of all the other people who came before you. No data is sent, but your face is compared with that of all the other people that came before you....

At the end it asks whether you want to send your scores so they can adjust their metrics for who's normal. The models themselves are pretrained by third-parties so it's just comparing scores.

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Post by spdionis »

majani wrote: post #308
mywittyname wrote: post #174

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I took off my glasses and jumped 2.5 points. If it were measuring symmetry, that wouldn't happen.

To be blunt (like the AI is): glasses are a signal of a disability, similar to crutches, or neck braces

I took off my glasses and got barely any change. Most probably GP's glasses are very very ugly.

Re: How normal am I?

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Post by mrandish »

cbau wrote: post #257
april_22 wrote: post #230

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There was this one incident in China where the facial recognition system mistaked the face of a chinese celebrity on a bus for a jaywalker... so the system isn't perfect for special conditions/environments yet. However I do believe that results today are already outstanding and will only get better. https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/22/18107885/china-facial-re... https://you.com/search?q=facial+recognition+in+china

Wow, the more insane story to me here is that they flash your face, name, and ID number on a public screen if you're caught jaywalking. How dystopian.

If public shaming like that was attempted in the US, I imagine in some circles it would become a goal to repost on social media a photo of yourself on the system jaywalking. Probably holding a sign with some meme.

Re: How normal am I?

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Post by ztjio »

bko wrote: post #266
april_22 wrote: post #230

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There was this one incident in China where the facial recognition system mistaked the face of a chinese celebrity on a bus for a jaywalker... so the system isn't perfect for special conditions/environments yet. However I do believe that results today are already outstanding and will only get better. https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/22/18107885/china-facial-re... https://you.com/search?q=facial+recognition+in+china

Funny you should say that. In another post I compared sitting congressmen to convicted felons - 440 images of congressmen - 1,756 mugshots - 10 mismatches (?) with 70+% certainty The highest was 86%, but to be fair, I wouldn't be able to tell you confidently for all of them that the convicts aren't the same person. And under 80% should be suspect anyway. It's just that you need to use the right statistical methods wh…

> under 80% should be suspect anyway

This attitude disturbs me more than any other single aspect of the mass idiocy around adopting AI for critical things. 80% is horribly low accuracy for anything even remotely important.

For example, imagine you went to a store and could tell the cashier any price for anything so long as it was 80% accurate, as in, 80% of the original price. Just a 20% potential discount, nbd.

Or put another way, 80% of your items had to have a perfectly accurate price but you bought 5 items, 1 of them was a PlayStation 5 you priced at $1. It's fine. The rest were accurate!

80% is extremely low accuracy. It's absurd to think that's a good level to cut things off. We should demand systems like these demonstrate 99% or better accuracy. Until then they should be illegal to apply in any scenario where a decision is made about another person.

Re: How normal am I?

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Post by vanattab »

jrimbault wrote: post #301
vanattab wrote: post #295

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Really? Security cameras are illegal in france?

The difference is in the intent. A security camera films a place and doesn't focus on individuals. If the camera were to run software that would autofocus on a person, that would make them a subject, there would need to be consent. You'll find a helpful diagram (though incomplete) on this page https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_%C3%A0_l%27image (French), and there's of course (as anything legal, it's a rabbit hole)…

But surely the only point of security cameras is to montior people? Your not watching to make sure the safe didn't grow legs and walk off.
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