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Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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There’s a hint of the idea that “power should be exceedingly inconvenient, not lucrative, and attract people who ‘irrationally’ want to make the world better as opposed to abusing it”, which I don’t disagree with. However, there’s another big concept, and that is “do not fire an employee who just learned a big and expensive, to you, lesson”. Punishing people simply because they failed, especially in a complex environ…

I agree with your perspectives with regard to civil servants, but the people with power I was referring to are the wealthy. No state actor (other than arguably putin, but I'd characterise his power as individual and not derived from his role as a government agent) is as powerful as eg. rupert murdoch or peter thiel individually, and in aggregate (and in spite of not working together) the 0.01% are vastly more powerfu…

Yeah, somehow I mistakenly read your “powerful” to mean elected government.

I suppose the main thing that makes rich powerful is the ability to influence government, which is only because power converts to money. If elected officials could not be influenced by rich malicious actors, those actors would lose much leverage.

The second thing is the ability to use money to secure popular support, which can hardly be eliminated unless people stop putting personal gain above true value… which is realistic in post-scarcity.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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None of those are straw men; I've heard every single one, including one of my favorites "cow overpopulation" from you "cheese goddess" specifically. The same way plenty of farm animals are supplemented with b12 for later human consumption, it's mindlessly easy to get the adequate amount of b12 in a vegan diet. Tons of vegan food come fortified, and if not, a 1000mg supplement once a week couldn't be simpler. Both the…

Who is that "somoeone whose entire life and identity has been in animal agriculture"? I work in IT. I chose my username because I make cheese as a hobby. btw, when did I say anything about "cow overpopulation"? I don't even know what that is? Oh, wait. Of course. It's a straw man. Nevermind. > Both the American Dietetic Association[0] and British Dietetic Association[1] confirm that a well-planned vegan diet is healt…

People suffering from poor health because of a shitty diet is not a uniquely vegan phenomenon. Heart disease kills more people in the US than anything else and a poor diet plays a massive role in that. Talk about a straw. man.

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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Who is that "somoeone whose entire life and identity has been in animal agriculture"? I work in IT. I chose my username because I make cheese as a hobby. btw, when did I say anything about "cow overpopulation"? I don't even know what that is? Oh, wait. Of course. It's a straw man. Nevermind. > Both the American Dietetic Association[0] and British Dietetic Association[1] confirm that a well-planned vegan diet is healt…

People suffering from poor health because of a shitty diet is not a uniquely vegan phenomenon. Heart disease kills more people in the US than anything else and a poor diet plays a massive role in that. Talk about a straw. man.

So we agree that a vegan diet is just another shitty diet that carries a risk of heart disease (also stroke and pregnancy complications), just like other shitty diets. And just because other diets are also shitty and unhealthy, doesn't change the fact that the vegan diet is a shitty, unhealthy diet and that people should be warned of the health risks inherent in it.

Agreed. 100%. What straw man?

Re: Most of the world’s grain is not eaten by humans

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That things as complex as macroeconomic systems can't be described in comment threads on internet forums. As an analogy and an extreme example, pretend there is an evolutionary biologist among a group that believes in creationism. The creationist has a very simple narrative, only takes a few words. The evolutionary biologist has a much bigger task at hand. They're starting not from an ideology but from a discipline o…

> That things as complex as macroeconomic systems can't be described in comment threads on internet forums. You’d be amazed how far the medium of written conversation can get you. Pretty involved concepts in the sciences you mention had been explained and discussed here before. > People presume that any critique of the system have an alternative sweeping simplistic all-encompassing dogmatic ideology. You have so far…

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