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One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by carapace »

nemo44x wrote: post #261
moomoo11 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol it’s also every single company ever. Look at the US/Western twitter accounts of major corporations and they’re all rainbows. Then look at their Middle East or other regions twitter accounts.. the only color they care about is green. Everything else is marketing backed by legal. I was selected for a project in a Gulf country and we had a preliminary session where I got an eye opener. Basically, no women or gays, n…

> the only color they care about is green. As it should be. Corporations should not have many opinions and should operate within the law. If corporate leaders or employees don’t like it then they can spend their free time lobbying or campaigning for politicians that want to change things. Only after the law is changed should the company make a change. Until then, business as usual.

This implies that one should set aside moral values when joining a corporation, and that laws can and should enforce morality. Both of those propositions are dubious.

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Post by vrc »

Someone wrote: post #168

So, just get married for a night, then ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah : “Nikah mut'ah Arabic: نكاح المتعة, romanized: nikāḥ al-mutʿah, literally "pleasure marriage"; temporary marriage: 1045 or Sigheh (Persian: صیغه ، ازدواج موقت) is a private and verbal temporary marriage contract that is practiced in Twelver Shia Islam in which the duration of the marriage and the mahr must be specified and agreed u…

Qatar is Sunni, not Twelver Shia. Their rules don’t have such short term niqqahs.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

ahtihn wrote: post #29
jleyank wrote: post #3

This is where ethics and money collide. If you participate, you’re complicit. The players are comfortable enough to say no, and the punters can stick to the local pub or even bite hard and “stay home” entirely - let the advertisers know. Talk it cheap. Actions mean more but both have costs. Willing to pay?

> The players are comfortable enough to say no Not if saying no risks ending your career. You don't become a pro football player and play in the world cup just for thr money.

They shouldn't even have to. No player should be forced to go to a country that thinks they should die just because of who they love.

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Post by FerretFred »

Actually, why not just vote with your feet and watch it all in the comfort of your own home, with your new one-night-stand partner, while drinking copious amounts of high-strength alcohol? Or in a local bar, with the same situation?

That would save a whole lot of grief!

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Post by sofixa »

prvit wrote: post #280
sshine wrote: post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

>"[...] an estimated 4,000 migrant workers will die, making this event the deadliest in sporting history." This is a silly fabrication, as discussed before in another thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30930117 Not sure why this circlejerk is so popular on HN, the facts do not support it in the slightest.

The comment you linked has an extremely narrow focus, on proven deaths during the building phase. There's all sorts of related problems like kidney illness that will kill many of those workers due to the terrible conditions; https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/qatar-2022-dying-for-the-...

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Post by prvit »

sofixa wrote: post #316
prvit wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"[...] an estimated 4,000 migrant workers will die, making this event the deadliest in sporting history." This is a silly fabrication, as discussed before in another thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30930117 Not sure why this circlejerk is so popular on HN, the facts do not support it in the slightest.

The comment you linked has an extremely narrow focus, on proven deaths during the building phase. There's all sorts of related problems like kidney illness that will kill many of those workers due to the terrible conditions; https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/qatar-2022-dying-for-the-...

You’ve misread what I linked. None of the numbers being discussed are “proven deaths during the building phase” as you claim.

All of these numbers are supposed to reflect overall mortality among immigrant workers, but they’re actually far too low to be accurate.

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Post by colordrops »

mercy_dude wrote: post #302
sshine wrote: post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

> The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. Isn’t that exactly like how the L1/H1B system in US work? Employer sponsoring and being tied to the employer till the lottery?

Even worse in China. They will hold your passport and force you to stay in dorms.

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Post by sofixa »

ctack wrote: post #22

Interesting that with something as big as football, the organisers can get away with a lot of bad taste decisions. They can host wherever they want and they will be guaranteed a sufficient turnout thanks to the absolute massiveness of the fanbase. Woman's rights or workers rights in a faraway country? Fat load of nothing issues for many who want to see their country in the semis.

I think that this World Cup will have one of the lowest attendances in recent years due to a myriad of factors ( wrong season, no alcohol/partying/etc. and yes, the horribleness of it all).

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Post by loudmax »

danamit wrote: post #105
sshine wrote: post #9

https://gctpnews.org/qatar-2022-world-cup-death-toll/ "The name of the current [migrant worker employment] system is kafala, a system forcing all migrants to be sponsored and subsequently tied to an employer. The kafala system has been frequently described as modern day slavery due to its exploitative nature. This employer controls housing, wages, travel, and the well being of each employee." "[...] an estimated 4,00…

It is not about the Kafala system, since even the West has similar systems. It is that they treat migrant workers that are not highly skilled specially from specific backgrounds bad.

No, the West does not have similar systems. There is plenty of injustice in the Western treatment of immigrant workers, but it's nowhere close to the outright slavery taking place in the Saudi peninsula. To point out injustice in the West is fair, but to use that to excuse the level of injustice in Qatar is delusional.
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